fluorocarbon

[Danoinark]

Steve

I discovered Rio fluro also. All I use now. Its good stuff.

Dano

[Rusty]

I have made a call, but had to leave a message. If I have to call them again and don't hear anything, I will post the brand in question. And then the consumer can do with it what they want.

[Micheal Kyle]

as of lately I have not been able to fish much with the store and all we have been very busy.

Yes the impact of the flouro to the enviromnet is huge it has a a half life of 10 thosand years that is huge considering that the half life of carbon which everything in the world has some of is 14,000 years.

However I still belive that it will breakdown a little how much who knows. Like I sadi maybe we should get to gether and have a test.

It does not matter who was it

There is air flo

Frog Hair

Rio

Seagar

I could goe on for days on how many diffrent companies that have their brand of flourocarbon. Like I said there were two factories in Japan I was told about a month ago that the one factory shut down so that leaves one.

It's just like the flylines there are only a few companies out there that produce the fly lines. RIO, S/A there is a one more I will have to look it up and post latter. That is here in the USA

[Guest flyfishBDS]

OK a new rule _ we all fish more to use up flouro faster _ and don't toss your bits in the river!!!

Now can Michael and I go fishing LOL

Anytime Michael anytime _ except weekends (Might hit Taney tomorrow?)

The third one is Cortland for flylines _ I hadn't realised that second factory inJapan had closed _ the third flouro maker is in Germany just looked it up, but Im not sure if they made stuff for fly companies or not.

Interesting thread Rusty

Cheers

[The Caddis]

I stuff clippings in an empty vest pocket that I empty at home.

[Micheal Kyle]

Steve yes let go fishing sometime, unfortunately unlike you I own my own store and can only pretty much go at night. But would love to go I think that it would be a lot of fun.

OK here is my point on fluorocarbon, You have all pointed out that the heat from the knot will break down the line when tying a knot you have created heat to my understanding it takes about 400 degrees to break fluorocarbon down. So wouldn't that be considered breaking down via the elements. I would have to suggest that day after day of keeping your fluorocarbon in the car at smoldering heat during the summer, I can not just turn my head and say that would not effect the spools. maybe it does not who knows for sure. I will have to agree that for the way you tie your knots would be very critical aswell.

On to the water if you are fishing in water where you have a build up of salts which most water does because the water is not purified. That will make me think that any salts that build up on the line will make it more brittle. Unless fluorocarbon will not allow the build of salts on the line. Now I'm not just talking about NACL I'm talking about all the nitrates,phosphates that happen to be in all the water that we fish. Now obviously there has to be some point that the line on the spools will break down a little from that. I not talking about the spool that you just bought but the one that you seldom use that you tote around with you and it gathers the debris on the line. Then one day you'r out and need the line that is on the spool and thus this is what happens.

I will say that fluorocarbon is very though and is stiffer and harder and carries a smaller diameter for the same line weight than does mono, I truly believe in the stuff and use it all the time. The way I fish with sink tips on the bottom trough all the rocks I still can feel the tippet or leader get rough. That is why I use fluorocarbon because I know that with mono it would have already broken. About the only time I use regular mono now is when I am using a fly that needs to be fished on the top of the water IE.(dry fies).

That is why I brought up the fact that there was only one factory that I know of making fluorocarbon in Japan. If you also would like to know Like I said in the previous post there are only a few manufactures of fly line Rio, S/A, you might know this but Rio makes the Sage Line and S/A make the Orvis line. Thats why I bring up the point of the fluorocarbon there is only one factory so maybe we shouldn't get on the brand for a bad spool but get on the factory. Those are not all the manufactures. Just food for thought

Michael

I know that I'm getting pretty deep on this matter but I will always think that there has to be some correlation to fluorocarbon breakdown to everything I just said. It must be scientist coming out in me instead of the fisherman.

[Rusty]

Thats why I bring up the point of the fluorocarbon there is only one factory so maybe we shouldn't get on the brand for a bad spool but get on the factory. Those are not all the manufactures. Just food for thought.

I don't buy that at all, sorry. For one, the company that labels it is responsible for the product, otherwise there would be only ONE company selling it. That is why companies employ their own scientists. Testing, I think, it is called. Then, it is up to the company to go to the manufacturer (factory) with the problem.

[Micheal Kyle]

You don't buy that there is only one manufacture of fluorocarbon. Well I like I said I could be wrong the other Factory may have reopened.

Yes you are correct that the company that putt's their label on it is responsible. I have seen over a period of years when there has been a a batch problem and it actually goes to several company.

One particular time is when Orvis and Seagar both sent out letters at the same time telling of the exact problem.

Michael

[Rusty]

I don't doubt that there is only one manufacture of fluorocarbon. Posting the name of the brand of line can only help a consumer make a informed decision. Expecially if they won't take the time to talk with a customer, that is having an issue with their product.

[Micheal Kyle]

Did I miss who the manufacture was or I should say Company