Introducing a true apex predator fish to Taneycomo

[brownieman]

CG,

The MDC would have to answer that one for you and by reviewing their budgets and expenditures it's hard telling.

From daily tags to trout food vending machines, things to numerous to mention imo it would knock your socks off at what it generates.

I'd be interested to know the total monies generated from the trout parks and everything associated with trout fishing itself.

Don't know how one would even totally figure it out from the outside. Would be an interesting figure though.

bm

[Chief Grey Bear]

Oh, I was under the impression that the MoDNR operated the trout parks and thus collected the monies generated from daily tag sales and soybean pellets.

I can tell you though, at the following areas the MDC does offer trout fishing free of charge all year long. Well, free if you younger than 16 or older than 65. Other wise it will run about $10 bucks for a fishing license and $7 or so for a trout stamp. Not a bad deal. I could fish a different trout area every weekend for the better part of a year for less than $20.

Barren Fork Creek

Blue Springs Creek

Crane Creek

Current River

Eleven Point River

Little Piney Creek

Mill Creek

North Fork of the White River

Spring Creek

Meramec River

North Fork of the White River

Roubidoux Creek

Capps Creek

Current River

Eleven Point River

Hickory Creek

Little Piney Creek

Niangua River

Roaring River

Roubidoux Creek

Stone Mill Spring Branch

Kansas City Trout Lakes

Coot and Plover Lakes

St. Louis Winter Trout Lakes

Columbia

Jackson

Jefferson City

Sedalia: Liberty Park Pond

[brownieman]

>I could fish a different trout area every weekend for the better part of a year for less than $20.<

we have it better than most states as we should due to the wealth of the dept.

closer to 6 months but i know what you're sayin about fishin.

the dnr at Montauk or at Meremac Springs the James Foundation takes care of the parks and grounds mostly...MDC operates the hatcheries and some grounds in relation to the setup, varies some.

not sure about bennett and roaring river but i do know the mdc is responsible for the hatcheries.

bm

[Chief Grey Bear]

Well, that wasn't a complete list. There are still more areas that I could have listed but was just trying to make a point. Not sure I did though.

Forgot to mention that you don't have to have a trout stamp to fish for trout. Only to if you want to keep them.

So where are they generating these millions from trout you speak of?

[JobyKSU]

Well, that wasn't a complete list. There are still more areas that I could have listed but was just trying to make a point. Not sure I did though.

Forgot to mention that you don't have to have a trout stamp to fish for trout. Only to if you want to keep them.

So where are they generating these millions from trout you speak of?

The economic impact of stocked trout adds up quickly. You have to remember that you spend (at the minimum) small amounts of money simply to be able to fish - gas money to get there, flies or fly-tying goods, leaders, etc. This money adds up quickly. Sure, it doesn't all go directly to the state, but it does increase the income of anyone who supplies any of the things you need to support your trip. I don't have the numbers for Missouri, but here are a few examples of economic impact of trout anglers:

Minnesota Angers generate over $27 million annually

The investment in hatcheries and management pays off. Based on averages for the southeaster US, a $1 investment leads to $102 to $141 in economic activity

A little closer to home, in 2002, the Beaver Lake tailwater reportedly produced over $12 million in economic impact, with the average angler spending over $185 per trip.

On a larger scale, the Missouri Division of State Parks had a total budget of just over $36 million, and led to $538 million in economic impact. Additionally, that $36 million investment provides both a service to citizens, but also leads directly to $162 million in income for Missouri citizens.

You are right that it is relatively easy to find an inexpensive weekend, but once you start adding up all of the ancillary money that you spend (how many trips does it take to pay for some of those $500 rod and reels?) it does add up quickly.

::. JobyKSU

[Thom]

Those figures include money generated from logging, travew, restruants, fishing equipment. All of that translates into jobs for people, good clean fun and enjoyment for families and sportsmen, and sales taxes that benefit many other state programs and infrastructure.

I think it is a great deal. Remember we pay nothing to enter the trout parks, state parks for the most part, and fishing fees other than liscense.

That is not true in most States. Most of the states charge a fee to just enter the park even if you just drive through. Texas for instance charges a day fee for their parks and for the last 4 or 5 years have taken lots of amenities out, do not maintain their roads, and facilities are very run down. They have a hundred mile stretch of highway between North and South padre Island that does not even have a rest area.

BTW the out of state license for inshore fishing liscense is 70+ dollars and thed fresh water liscense is another 70. That is after you pay to enter the State Park.

We have it pretty good in Missouri and Arkansas isn't to bad either.

Drive up to Wisconsin, Minesota, or Michigan (excepting the Great Lakes) and check out what they have there for fees and faciilities. You would kiss the ground when you got back home.

[Chief Grey Bear]

Thom and Jobyksu

I totally agree with your post. But brownieman is saying that the MDC reaps millions from trout. I don't see where they are and asked him to explain.

[brownieman]

IMO one would have to know the relationship between the parks and the mdc and many other factors would probably figure in somehow.

I could be mistaken, wouldn't be the first time nor the last, lol, but imo the dept. gets their fair share. I for one would be interested in the amount.

I agree we have it better than most states...I don't care to try to explain because there are so many factors that it would take that few of us even realize to come to a figure.

I know trout fishing is a multi million industry in the state and all get a piece of the pie...I will not be arguementive about it I for one am just curious.

We all have opinions and I respect that...least we're still allowed that priveledge.

bm

[JobyKSU]

Thom and Jobyksu

I totally agree with your post. But brownieman is saying that the MDC reaps millions from trout. I don't see where they are and asked him to explain.

Would you accept totals which include both hunting and fishing? The DOC is supported by 1/8 of one percent state sales tax, which is nearly identical to the income from state sales tax on the economic activity associated with hunting and fishing. Thats approximately $57 million the department receives from sales tax. When you consider the income tax that is collected on the associated spending, that amount jumps to $77 million.

Alternatively, the same document identifies fisheries management spending as $11.6 million. During the year, the state sold more than 1.2 million fishing licenses. Even at the lowest daily rate of $7 each, that nearly pays for itself.

Fishing (and hunting) is big business, and Missouri in particular seems to have figured out how to cash in on it.

Sorry I couldn't find the trout-only numbers.

::. JobyKSU

[brownieman]

Would you accept totals which include both hunting and fishing? The DOC is supported by 1/8 of one percent state sales tax, which is nearly identical to the income from state sales tax on the economic activity associated with hunting and fishing. Thats approximately $57 million the department receives from sales tax. When you consider the income tax that is collected on the associated spending, that amount jumps to $77 million.

Alternatively, the same document identifies fisheries management spending as $11.6 million. During the year, the state sold more than 1.2 million fishing licenses. Even at the lowest daily rate of $7 each, that nearly pays for itself.

Fishing (and hunting) is big business, and Missouri in particular seems to have figured out how to cash in on it.

Sorry I couldn't find the trout-only numbers.

::. JobyKSU

You got it Joby KSU, thanks...imo they do indeed have it figured out...the numbers are self explanitory.

bm