C&R yearly permit for missouri trout parks

[Chief Grey Bear]

And it has nothing to do with "getting off cheap".

Well, there is really no other way to look at. If it just the wait in line you want to get out of, there are many/better options that can be discussed.

This discussion has apparently struck a nerve with you. What are you so worked up about?

[gonefishin]

Maybe we should have a poll for how much a person would be willing to pay for an annual trout park permit.

[3wt]

I think this is a good idea. I'm not sure it will ever go over but a good idea none the less. In my opinion you need to do the following to make it work:

1.) Limit it to a stream area. This takes the "what kind of tackle is that guy using" question away. I'm pretty sure fly only rules are the only ones that work here - even if you have a hard plastic zone, does that garuntee no treble hooks?

If you're in a fly only area with a C&R permit, you won't have to be questioned. I hate to limit it like that but to be clear, we could not allow bait and soft plastic fisherman to be part of this permit. Sorry if that ruffles your feathers.

2.) Use the color coding as discussed earlier.

3.) Educate, educate, educate. Signs with good C&R practice, reminders on the tag itself, signs at the lodges and parking lots.

4.) Sell some frickin barbless flies at the lodges.

5.) hit a reasonable price point. Here's my solution to the problem of having an overly expensive permit. Have the initial permit be a bit pricy, but have reasonable renewal rates for future years. That way you could get the money you need for the program, but the fisherman feel that they're getting a good deal in the long run. Just a thought.

Seriously, I think most true C&R guys get the idea and don't do anything beligerent to hurt fish. To be honest, my worst hook-ups are with tiny dry fly hooks that I have forgotten to pinch a barb back on. Those little things make you work at

P.S. Consider yourselves lucky at Benett...at montauk coffee is $1.25...and it sucks.

[Rusty]

An actual study that was emailed to me. Granted it is over ten years old, but it was a study non the less. Click on link to read. http://afs.allenpress.com/perlserv/?reques...RT%3E2.3.CO%3B2

[gonefishin]

An actual study that was emailed to me. Granted it is over ten years old, but it was a study non the less. Click on link to read. http://afs.allenpress.com/perlserv/?reques...RT%3E2.3.CO%3B2

Like I said it is full of variables but, it does look like I was about 1% light on loss of life. According to what I read in that report, I should have used 4% rather than 3%

The point of my argument remains the same; a $10 or $20 annual permit would not cover the replacement loss of fish nor any of the day to day expense of operation of the park. Annual permits would have to be conciderably higher than the 10 to 20 bucks suggested.

[Rusty]

If they take the averages as they do with the catch and kill crowd, sure it would. Not everyone that buys a daily permit will catch a limit of trout. Does it really fall into a catagory of replacing the fish with the permits purchased. Didn't someone else say that the Parks are budgeted the money for the daily expenses and hatchery, and that the money collected for the permits goes into a general fund. And those monies are used throughout the whole MDC program. It's a put and take program to begin with, why not allow the state to make additional monies to add to the whole program of the MDC. Fee's collected from hunting licenses, trapping and many others go into the general fund of MDC, which in turn is benefiting the stocking program too. Granted, most already know this, but not all do. As I said before, they can't make everyone happy. I, for one, don't mind to pay as a non-resident, higher licenses fee's than a resident to fish for a species that I normally don't have such quick access to. I pay for a yearly non-resident license plus a trout license and a park permit to fish for trout only. And when my family goes with me, thats a additional three park permits per day and one three day non-resident license and trout license. And we may keep four trout per year. I don't, as of yet, fish for other species of fish in Missouri. But that is going to change. So, from just my family and myself buying the license and the daily park permits, the state (MDC) is coming out ahead. I don't mind that it helps the whole MDC program. That doesn't include the money that my family and I spend in Missouri and the taxes collected from that money.

My whole argument for this was stated above in one of my previous posts. For the catch and release permit to work, it will have to be the way that kills the fewest fish. And I agree, the fee for C&R would need to be higher than the $10-20 that was suggested. It's all a pipe dream until it happens, if it happens.

[gonefishin]

Rusty: Looks like you and I are on about the same page. I am not kicking C&R fishermen. I am not a 100% C&R fisherman but by far most of the fish I catch in a year are released. As I said before my whole point is not to argue the merits of C&R but to point out there is a loss so for an annual permit to work it would have to be of a price that would save fishermen time and money and at the same time allow MDC to make a little money. As you say a 10 to 20 dollar permit is a pipe dream.

Personally I think they should have a daily, weekly and annual tag. I also think a person should be able to by tags in advance. That way if a person is bringing the family for a vacation they could save some confusion and hassle by having their permit buying out of the way.

[Chief Grey Bear]

Personally I think they should have a daily, weekly and annual tag. I also think a person should be able to by tags in advance. That way if a person is bringing the family for a vacation they could save some confusion and hassle by having their permit buying out of the way.

All of those are good ideas. Seems like everyones biggest gripe is the length of time it takes to obtain a permit. Seems like it should be fairly easy and at a low cost for the MDC to delvelope a computer program that one can log onto their site and obtain a permit that they can then print off.

Good golly, you don't even have to check your deer in except by phone, surely we can figure out something to cut down on standing in line for you guys.

[motroutbum]

I always try not to net or touch the fish unless it is one I intend on keeping...just shake the hooks out while he's in the water and part ways and am thankful for the fight.

Every time I would get him close enouph to unhook him...rod in one hand, pliers in the other he would just go to thrashing like crazy making it hard to release him. When he finally calmed down enuoph for me to shake the hooks off of him he had about faught himself to death...

My advice to you would to use a freakin net. If you use a decent net you wont damage the fish. Its thinking like that that kills the most fish. just net him and let him go and you wont have the problem of them fighting themselves to death.

[brownieman]

Tbum,...this was one of those unusual fish that was going to flop, net or no net, till he had no flop left...I felt thrashing around in a net would have incured more damage, won't bother explaining cause I can see you have it figured out but thanks for the encouraging words.

bm