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Make that two. I will be really surprised if the fine, if any, is more than $2500. You know why they will not announce the terms until the judge signs? Because, once signed, the settlement is final. It will not matter how much the people complain after that, it's a done deal.

Go here http://waterdata.usgs.gov/ok/nwis/rt to see the water levels. I was at Spring River yesterday and the water was high and muddy.

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WebFreeman...Geat job! Phil...Very nice upgrade!

Mobile for now and more than likely permanent later. They are going to see what the numbers are for the next couple of years. They are going to process the eggs on site, so the only middleman are the suppliers...It's a neat setup. They are even going to have auto skinners. He said that you would be able to have your fillets in about 5 minutes. If I get a chance tomorrow, I will run back down and take some pics and post them. On another note, I got to meet guys I had only Emailed and had phone conversations with in the past. It was funny when we introduced ourselves.

Not a lot going on at Twin Bridges. A few people fishing from the bank on the Neosho side. Three boat trailers in the lot. Somebody that thought they were more privileged than others, decided to park their truck on one of the two boat ramps. Nice! I did stop and look at the mobile cleaning station. Pretty nice setup. They have already started using it. I talked with one of the biologist, and their plan is to have it payed for by the end of this season, from the processing of the spoonbill eggs. Just to let a few know, I was told that each female provides 5-6 lbs of eggs and when the eggs are ready to be wholesaled they are worth $200 per lb. It will be a self-sustaining work station and will add additional money to the fishery and wildlife department. So Trav, it may be money well spent, especially if they hire more agents/biologist. I just hope the department gets to keep all the money and not have the state come in and decide it needs to go into other pockets.

I am going to go drive over that way in a while, I will snoop around and see whats up.

Did you shovel it all off...

http://www.joplinglobe.com/local/local_story_064004800.html Miami council agrees to participate in state’s spoonbill catfish program By Debbie Robinson news@joplinglobe.com MIAMI, Okla. — Fishermen in Northeast Oklahoma will no longer have to pay for a Miami permit to pursue spoonbill catfish under a plan from the Oklahoma Department of Wildlife Conservation, which intends to harvest the eggs of the fish for worldwide sale as caviar. Keith Green of the state department and Brent Gordon, supervisor of the agency’s Northeast Region Fisheries, presented the proposal Monday night to the City Council. The council approved the three-year pilot program with the condition that the city could opt out on annual intervals if issues, such as too many fishermen along the banks, cause problems. Under the plan, the city would receive about $20,000 annually from the state, compared with the current annual payment from fees of $9,500. Money the city receives could be used to upgrade banks along the Neosho River, install accessible restrooms and improve parking or roads leading to the river, Gordon said. “When you put a fee on the park, it discourages out-of-state anglers from parking and fishing,” he said. Councilman John Dalgarn questioned the removal of the permit because of safety issues that arose in the years before the permit fee was implemented. Dalgarn said so many people were fishing from the banks that some were injured by the snagging hooks as they were being cast. Since that time, Green said, more people are fishing for spoonbill from boats. “I don’t see it back like it was 10 years ago,” he said. Green said the state is spending $400,000 for a mobile cleaning station to be located at Twin Bridges State Park. Two trucks, one of which will be stationed in Miami, will be used to collect fish from anglers up and down the river. State workers will remove the eggs from the spoonbills and fillet the fish. The fillets, in turn, will be returned to the fishermen, Green said. The state currently is spending $250,000 a year for research on the spoonbill, and for management and enforcement, Green said. He said 92 percent of 456 fishermen surveyed by the department said they would participate in the program. Fishermen are limited to one spoonbill per visit, Green said. The council approved participation in the program because the fish will begin to run when the females begin to spawn in a couple of weeks, Green said. Gordon said the project also will keep fishermen from dumping carcasses in trash bins. “We’ll be taking all of those carcasses to Carthage (Mo.) and rendering them into fish oil,” he said. He noted that the program is voluntary. “There’s not any state law that says you have to bring your fish to the cleaning station,” Gordon said.

Did it have the loop?

Serious question...After watching Nascar for the past 3-4 years, why not just watch the last 15 laps?

Your grip on the rod may be to tight. Loosen up just enough to keep the rod from rotating, or wanting to rock in your hand when you cast. Keep in mind, my information is from personal experience and I am not a CCI, nor do claim to be a CCI, just some smoe that likes to fish. The best thing I can recommend is to get a book or two about the basics. One I have a really liked is the L.L. Bean, Fly-Fishing Handbook written by Dave Whitlock. A good casting video would benefit you too. Line mending: It is always easier to mend with a longer rod. But fishing RR with an 8' rod, you should be able to mend just fine. I like to think of mending as a small roll cast, side armed but back up stream. You want to have your fly line and some or all of the leader behind your indicator (upstream). Same with fishing dry flies. If you are having trouble getting your flyline off the water to make a cast, I suggest that you use your line control hand and pull the slack out of you line as you start to make your back cast. You have to load the rod to make a cast, and if you have a lot of slack when you start your cast, you may not load your rod until you are at the 12:00 or 1:00 postition. That is not good. What kind of flyline are you using?

Fish consumption advisory issued From staff reports The Oklahoma Department of Environmental Quality has issued a series of fish consumption advisories for people who live in the Tar Creek area. The advisories are in reference to fish caught in waters affected by runoff from historic lead and zinc mining operations. “This fish advisory does not mean all fish caught from these waters are unsafe to eat.” the advisory states. “Instead, it provides guidelines for residents of the Tar Creek area to make informed choices about their health and diet.” The general public, living outside the Tar Creek Mining District and visitors, are not at risk. This advisory concerns the consumption of fish caught in the Tar Creek area or waters that may be impacted by the Tri-State Mining District and the Tar Creek Superfund Site. A study conducted in 2003 examined cadmium, lead, and zinc concentrations in fish collected from mill ponds within the Tar Creek Superfund Site, as well as the Spring and Neosho Rivers downstream from historic lead and zinc mining activities. In 2007, a follow up study was conducted which included the same study area plus extended test areas throughout Grand Lake and the Grand Neosho River below Pensacola Dam. DEQ analyzed a variety of fish using a variety of preparation methods including carcass (scaled, skin-on, headless, gutted fish to represent fish that are canned or non-game fish that are difficult to obtain boneless fillets from), skin-on fillets (boneless, scaled), skinless fillets and paddlefish eggs. Lead is known to accumulate in the bones and organs of fish. Fish collected were grouped into five categories: non-game fish (Carp, Freshwater Drum, Redhorse Sucker and Smallmouth Buffalo); game fish (Black Crappie, Largemouth Bass, Spotted Bass, White Bass, and White Crappie); sunfish (Bluegill Sunfish, Green Sunfish, and Hybrid Sunfish); catfish (Blue Catfish and Channel Catfish) and Paddle Fish. According to the DEQ report issued Wednesday, most boneless fillet portions are safe to eat in normal quantities. “The only exception is non-game fish from Spring River, such as carp and buffalo, from which boneless fillets are difficult to obtain.” the report states. Paddlefish and paddlefish eggs are safe to consume normal quantities. To reduce exposure to lead when consuming fish from the waters impacted by the Tar Creek Superfund site and the Tri-State Mining District, ODEQ is recommending that residents eat portions that do not contain bones or skin. “Fish are an important part of a healthy diet providing high quality protein and essential nutrients,” the study states. “However, not all fish should be consumed in unlimited amounts by everyone.” A meeting will be held in Miami in March to inform the public of the advisory and to allow an opportunity for questions and concerns. The time and place of the meeting has not been determined. For more information, contact the Oklahoma Department of Environmental Quality at 405-702-1000 or visit www.deq.state.ok.us/csdnew/2007TCFishReport.pdf to view the 2007 study

http://miaminewsrecord.com/articles/2008/0.../news/news1.txt Fish consumption advisory issued From staff reports The Oklahoma Department of Environmental Quality has issued a series of fish consumption advisories for people who live in the Tar Creek area. The advisories are in reference to fish caught in waters affected by runoff from historic lead and zinc mining operations. “This fish advisory does not mean all fish caught from these waters are unsafe to eat.” the advisory states. “Instead, it provides guidelines for residents of the Tar Creek area to make informed choices about their health and diet.” The general public, living outside the Tar Creek Mining District and visitors, are not at risk. This advisory concerns the consumption of fish caught in the Tar Creek area or waters that may be impacted by the Tri-State Mining District and the Tar Creek Superfund Site. A study conducted in 2003 examined cadmium, lead, and zinc concentrations in fish collected from mill ponds within the Tar Creek Superfund Site, as well as the Spring and Neosho Rivers downstream from historic lead and zinc mining activities. In 2007, a follow up study was conducted which included the same study area plus extended test areas throughout Grand Lake and the Grand Neosho River below Pensacola Dam. DEQ analyzed a variety of fish using a variety of preparation methods including carcass (scaled, skin-on, headless, gutted fish to represent fish that are canned or non-game fish that are difficult to obtain boneless fillets from), skin-on fillets (boneless, scaled), skinless fillets and paddlefish eggs. Lead is known to accumulate in the bones and organs of fish. Fish collected were grouped into five categories: non-game fish (Carp, Freshwater Drum, Redhorse Sucker and Smallmouth Buffalo); game fish (Black Crappie, Largemouth Bass, Spotted Bass, White Bass, and White Crappie); sunfish (Bluegill Sunfish, Green Sunfish, and Hybrid Sunfish); catfish (Blue Catfish and Channel Catfish) and Paddle Fish. According to the DEQ report issued Wednesday, most boneless fillet portions are safe to eat in normal quantities. “The only exception is non-game fish from Spring River, such as carp and buffalo, from which boneless fillets are difficult to obtain.” the report states. Paddlefish and paddlefish eggs are safe to consume normal quantities. To reduce exposure to lead when consuming fish from the waters impacted by the Tar Creek Superfund site and the Tri-State Mining District, ODEQ is recommending that residents eat portions that do not contain bones or skin. “Fish are an important part of a healthy diet providing high quality protein and essential nutrients,” the study states. “However, not all fish should be consumed in unlimited amounts by everyone.” A meeting will be held in Miami in March to inform the public of the advisory and to allow an opportunity for questions and concerns. The time and place of the meeting has not been determined. For more information, contact the Oklahoma Department of Environmental Quality at 405-702-1000 or visit www.deq.state.ok.us/csdnew/2007TCFishReport.pdf to view the 2007 study.

I wonder if the material (radium) they are using, is what they used to use on watch faces, that later caused cancer in some of the people that installed them on the watch faces? Not sure of what they are using, but I would check it out. Using radium here in the states is no longer practiced, but if they are imported, it could possible be radium. They found Iraqi tanks during the Gulf War were using radium on their dials. So it is still a chance. Could be another Chinesse import, and we know how well they watch things.

Your asking folks to open their black books?

What about ribs?

All is well here, Dan. The temperature got warm enough yesterday afternoon to keep us out of trouble.

Guess who is sleeping on the couch tonight? She didn't think it was all that funny.

Long delay on sending PM's...and not sure some are even going through. But that could be explained away, by them not wanting to reply. Edited to add: It is taking about the same amount of time to load posts as well, which is about 2-3 minutes. Funny how 2-3 minutes is a long time in the internet world. X2 Edit: Edit loaded normal...

Ha, Someone didn't do their homework on weight loads. My guess would be they were moving it, or at least attempting to.

My topic of "screen shuts off", so I thought I would start another one.

I've never seen clear scotch.

Scott, My personal experience fishing tailwaters have been to watch the water flows. If I have time to fish and the water in cooperating, I go.

I'll add this one to the list: http://www.charliesflyboxinc.com/flybox/de...cfm?parentID=66