jim murphy

Dave, Primacord only comes in one color, a greyish white. Tippet7, No beadhead, there is enough weight to the primacord to sink and drift naturally on its own. Well, Leonard, I guess that we can keep this our little secret. Yes, what I quoted you saying is pretty much word for word, nothing made up or misquoted. You may have chosen to forget who I am after our first meeting, when you found out about my small successes in flyfishing, as well as fly tying, with hopes that I may share info with you, like I have with so many others. Maybe it is for the best that you do not know who I am. Though in due time, I am sure we will cross paths, maybe then you will remember me and the day we met. But, then again I am sure someone will tell you who I am and then what does that matter? You already made your first impression. jim

Rich, This has got to be one of the humorist topics that I have read on the forum. No names mentioned in the original post, and people just start going off on each other about this and that. I could of swore I just heard Roy D Mercer say that he is going to open up a BIG can of Whoop Butt, BY God, and just how big a boy are you? Leonard, I still remember the day I met you and what you told me. It goes something like this, "if I ever wanted to learn something about fishing Taneycomo at night to go with you sometime." You can pass that invitation on to someone else, with what I have read, heard and seen, I have learned enough, Thanks. So with that being said, I know what you know. Disgusting, how did you let this happen to me without taking you up on that offer, but then again this could be beneficial to me. Okay, now that some seem to want secret information. Here is the special ingredient/material that I use for my San Juan worms at Taneycomo, that just blows fish out of the water. Primacord, approxiamately two inches is all it takes. This material is available only at explosively select fly shops. The real secret to fishing Taneycomo is to present the fly, you have chosen, to the fish in such a manner to make it believe it is food, and sooner or later you will catch fish. jim

Here is the Official Redneck Amphibious Vehicle. It was a tough adventureous day, but as you can see the well trained crew survived, to enjoy a cold one. jim

A friend and I floated from Boiling Spring to Jerome. It was a nice float, and one we intend to do more. The jetboats were numerous, but had no problems with them passing by. There was also a lot of vegetation, though it did not seem to effect the current speed of the river. There was a fair amount of fishing preasure on this section of the river. Most of the people we talked with said that the fishing had been slow. We managed to catch over 20 smallmouth, most of them in the 12 to 14 inch range and had 5 or 6 measuring 15 inches or better. All on variety of soft plastics. The one oddity of the trip was a 13 inch smallmouth I had caught, at Jerome, had a lamprey attached to its side. The lamprey fell off when I took the fish out of the water to remove the hook leaving a small scare. And the Smallmouth seemed in better spirits after losing its excess baggage. jim

HA HA HA HA HA HA, made you look. Can not tell exactly where I caught this P I G Hawg, or what I caught it on. I can give some minute information. I caught it on the down stream side of a gravel bar, on a tributary of the White River, which Lake Taneycomo is part of, and it was LEGALLY hook in the corn of the mouth on 6# tippet. No freyed nylon was used in catching this fish and was released to fight another day. jim

This is one of the numerous logjams in the 12 mile stretch, I floated on Sunday. Yes, I know this was washed into the river after the flooding rains over the last couple of weeks, and I am sure most of it was not discarded by anglers, for those of you who want to go off on that or just read between the lines, as usual. And just think, some of you Ozarkanglers.com readers wondered why I went off earlier in a white bass info posting about freely discarded trash. Could scenes like this be the reason for poor fishing at times? maybe. Limited public access to area waterways? possibly. Private property owners not allowing access through their property? Definitly. It is great that there are over 3000 Stream Teams, as well as many others who pick up trash along our waterways and highways, but when we come across something like this is all of our clean up efforts worth it?

What type / style of drop shot weight do you prefer and why? jim

Friday, it was 64*.

Though what I have written is in black and white, with the exception of the little red section; everyones interpritation is in a different shade of gray/pink. And feel free to read between the lines or into it how ever you want. Venting off steam through this discussion/post? NO not really. Some people do not listen or pay any attention to what is being said or written, unless one gets loud and voiceful or it is directed at them. The farmer did enough venting on his son for me and took his keys away telling him that he will be riding the bus until further notice. In fact, it would not surprise me if this farmer didn't whip his kid's butt later, then set his truck up on blocks, and to top it off, take the tires and wheels off and sell them. Lets just put it this way, the farmer was more disgusted than I was over the situation. The point is and some have appearred to miss it, is that we are losing access to areas to fish because of individuals who show no respect to others. There are people out there who feel that the areas we fish are trash recepticles, and they need to be aware that their actions are inappropriate. Bill, you pointed out that fly fisherman are less likely to trash an area. Well, I vague to differ. Numerous times at Taneycomo, Bennett Springs, Roaring River, James River, Little Sac River, below Power Site Dam, and many others, I have seen fly fishers leave trash behind, even in the areas I have fished out West. Nine foot leader packages are not being purchased by conventional tackle fishers, nor spooled tippet material, though I do know a couple who do use it. I have seen fly fishers carry in bottles of water and food down to Taylor Shoals, on the James and leave them behind on the stream bank. Beverages in cans could go either way. Fly fishers are as much to blaim as others. In fact, there are a couple of fly fishers,who I will not EVER invite to go with me again, because of the trash they left behind. You even know one of them, I pointed it out to them and ask them to pick up their trash, needless to say it was a wasted effort on my part. Now was I directing this issue straight at fly fishers, no. I was pointing out that fly fishers do their fair share of leaving trash behind. The Spring white bass run is one of the most fished times of the year. And all people care about during that time is where are they biting? Well, people need to be more aware of the trash issue more so than were to go. Bill, Yes, I do hang out Backcountry Outfitters, a fly fishing specialty store, my rant is not on its behalf. Should people in the fly fishing community not respect me because I made a post about the trash in an area that I fish? NO, I am sure if they were in my shoes, they would feel the same way. I freely share information with others, some more, some less, and its not any different than any other fly shop. The main point of my rant, as it has been labeled, is that we are going into a heavily fished time of year and this issue, trash being left behind, needs to be pointed out. Was my initial post directed toward Bill, no, He just happens to be the forum leader for this section for temperate bass, which everyone seems to be starting to focus on. People need to be aware of the problem of our access areas being trashed by others. jim

I am extremely familair with this area. It is about 3/8 of a mile from Talley Bend Public Access Area. I do not remember a beach at Talley Bend, but it could be over in the campground area. This peace of property is in a development designed to be like a private campground. The lots are small, just like this one, though big enough for a camper. Do not know much about the water, sewer and electric situation, it was suppose to have a community well and sewer with fees collected through a membership for use. As far as the electric, I believe you have to set up your own meter and hook up. Some of these lots have a steep gradiant and may require some extensive work to get a level site, which is typical for that area. Lake front property? could border Corp property and a short repel to the water. Fishing is good in that area, especially for crappie and catfish. The only draw back is there is about a 2 1/2 mile stretch of Truman lake the runs directly North and South, with Talley Bend access right in the middle. I have seen a lot of days I could have went surfing there. There is a lot of public hunting land in that area as well, good deer and turkey hunting. The price is not bad if that is what you are looking for, 3,000 square foot for about $600. But I would recommend to check it out first. jim

This is the most wanted information out there. Unfortunately, some of the areas I used to fish have become overcrowded. What is more disgusting is the trash left behind by such inconsiderate, worthless individuals, to stinking lazy to pick up after themselves, and still want to know where the fish are biting. Fly fishermen are as much to blame for this as bait and conventional tackle fishermen. Why should we, those who care about the areas we fish, freely give this information out? Am I above everyone for being so stand offish, Hades NO. I treat everyone the same way they treat me; if you poop on me, do not expect me to very open with information or invitations. Too many people have ruined opportunities for others, because of their behavior and lack of respect of public and private property. I get no enjoyment from picking up trash that others left behind in some of the areas I fish. In fact, I picked up 27 Old Milwalkee Light beer cans and the 30 pack box they came in today on a piece of private property that I have access to fish , luckily the property owner knew who did it and I can still access his property , but do not expect me to give out directions :ph34r: . And some people wonder why I am so tight lipped with information. jim

Randall, I may not be the expert temperate bass fly fisherman that Bill Butts is , but I can tell you that you can catch whites and hybrids below Truman whether from the bank or from a boat. Unfortunately, the trees and crowds have grown from when I lived and started fishing there in the early 80's. When the crowds are small you can fish several good areas walking the bank, just watch your backcast and keep it up. Your best angling opportunity is from a boat, you can fish either side of the river, dependent on which and how many generators they are running. As well as, you can control your drift with a trolling motor. Defintely an 8 to 10 weight is needed to fish there. The only time I use a floating line is when there is no water or less than 1 generator running, just watch out for the gar. The remainder of the time I use a sinking line, like the 24' DC series by Rio, and if you only went with one, I would recommend the 200 grain. Right now they are releasing about 16,000 cfs and I would use a 300 to 400 grain line. Fly recommendations, take a lot. Hang ups are frequent, as you know from throwing sassy shad and other jighead type lures. Clouser minnows are a good start, but, when using the heavy sinking lines recommended, you can use flies with a little less weight, they have more action and more movement in the current. The flies I like are Whitlock's Sheep Shad and Waker Shad, Davy Wotton Shad, and a new fly I am creating and still modifying called the Twisted Sheep. The size of the fly can be anywhere from 2 to 6 inches in length. Fly colors, I primarily stick with 2, shad and chartreuse. Good luck, I hope this information helps. jim

Count me in, I will whip up some damsel flies for them. jim

Dano, I thought it was that future World Record Brown with a bad case of gas from the pellet fed stocker rainbows it had eaten. jim

lbt, Drama is good? Did not like the Drama before, but it is good now? Make up your mind, or are you playing on both sides to get a higher approval rating. Now your offended by what people have posted on this topic which you started? You were not very courtious in your previous posts on other topics, I am sure you offended them, but they are not poutting about it, like you are. Why should you be treated differently than those you have degraded? A number of us do have civil conversations here, as well as give each other a hard time and laugh about it. Some topics are informative, some are arguementive, and some are just waaaaaaayyyyyyy out there; the people participating on this open forum is why it is so diverse, with a ton of accessable information thrown in. For only fly fishing for a couple of years, you seem pretty opinionated about your feelings in the posts you have previously made. Here is a suggestion for you to try, now that the silver spoon has been yanked out of your mouth. Start all over on this forum, introduce yourself, your fly fishing goals, if any, and what you would like to learn from this open forum. Think about your posts, before you post them, and expect to be critised on something. Maybe, you will find your way into a fly fishing circle, meet new friends and achieve the fly fishing goals you have set for yourself. Detailed fishing reports? some will be, some will not be. Best thing to do is take all the information you can obtain and put together your own favorite methods, flies, and locations, with specifics on time of year, water levels, and weather, being factors on how you approach certain fishing situations. Spend time on the water and watch how the fish react to your fly and presentation, not just going down and beating a foam on the water trying to catch fish. Do not become an OUTLET fisher, like so many have new to the sport at Taneycomo, you will not learn anything there and there is no sport to it. Outlet fishing is just a waste of time and the tactics you pick up to effectively fish them will not benefit you anywhere else. I can gaurantee you that those who pound the outlets regularly would get spanked at the North Fork of the White River, San Juan River, and many many others. Good luck in which avenue you take, that decission is up to you. jim

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Phil, This forum is just fine. I have had a great time going back and forth with you on several topics. I have no hard feelings towards you and hopefully none towards me. Ozarkanglers.com has more diversity than any other, as well as covers more waters in our area. There is a wealth of information accessable here, and it is free. lbt, Posts on this forum are written in black and white. Everyone reads them in a different shade of grey, and of course there are those who just read between the lines. Everyone has different thoughts on the numerous subjects that are discussed on this forum. If you open a page to a topic and do not like what is being discussed, close it, and move on to the next. Some of the discussion topics are to dramatic you say, lbt? I have read a number of your posts on this forum, and they seemed pretty dramatic. Or was your intention just to stir the pot and see what kind of response you would get, little boy toy. Reality check, you only get out of it, what you put into it. Now, you are not getting what you want from this open forum, that so many are willing to contribute to and share their information, nor enough detailed information for your personal use, well with the attitude you have displayed in previous posts, why should they? One tends to get, what one deserves. Maybe, you have had everything handed to you on a silver platter and do not appreciate what is available to you. If you put forth a little effort, ask questions, and do a little research on your own, quite possibly you could come up with the information you are looking for. Show a little respect and you may find what you are looking for! jim

Yeah, this topic was suppose to be about wether copying a pattern created by someone else was okay or not? Then, it became a topic on if you think tie a scud as good as Bret Rader? Then, have a tying contest? Then, who designed the mohair leech? Now, it is what were we talking about again? So here are my answers to these questions: Copying a pattern? for personal use? sure why not, I do not see anything wrong with it. Making improvements to an original, claiming the new improved pattern, certainly but at least give some credit to who gave you the inspiration to improve the existing pattern. Copying a pattern and selling it, if tied in house special request by a loyal customer and assuming only for that customer, sure, to some degree. Tying it in house and selling it to the public, providing one can make an EXACT DUPLICATE, go for it if it is already available to the public, but at least ask first. Copying and selling the Rights to a commercial fly tying company and collecting a Royalty, HADES NO!!!!!! Can I tie a scud as good as Bret Rader? I am sure I could if I tried, but then do I really need to? My two favorite scud patterns for fishing the upper end of Taneycomo are one designed by David Freeman and the other by Oliver Edwards. Or maybe the question should be, Can I be as good a tier as Bret Rader? I am sure that some of my tying skills are equal to or even better than his and vise versa. Does this mean he is a better tier than me or I than him? NO, but my hands do shake a lot more now than they use to so it will not be long before my skills diminish. Though, I would like to see him tie his scud pattern and a couple of the variations, if he was willing? I would even bring the beer. Tying contest? Competition, that is what everything is coming to. Those of us who have been around for a while and earned the respect for our tying abilities, know who the good tiers are out there. Who designed the mohair leech? Well, first off this needs to be broken down a little more, MOHAIR YARN and MOHAIR DUBBING. Mohair yarn, in a book, which I just happen to have, called "The Fly-Tyer's Almanac" by Robert Boyle and Dave Whitlock, Copyrighted in 1975, a tyer by the name of Thom Green tied a mohair yarn leech that he called "My Friend the Leech." Mohair dubbing, I believe Randall Kaufmann was the first to create a mohair leech out of mohair dubbing, in the mid 80's. The Mohair leech that is all the rave today is the one redesigned by Shane Stalcup, with the new sparkle blends of leech dubbing, for which I am taking credit for some of the special color blends I have mixed to tie this phenomenal fly. What were we talking about again? Oh yeah, Bret Rader's scud pattern being copied and sold in an area fly shop. Well, I can attest to the fact that it is not at Backcountry Outfitters. So, I am assuming this happened at one of the three shops in the Branson area. I have not been in Anglers and Archers or River Run Outfitters in about a month, and I did not see any scud imitations, at that time, that looked like Bret's in any of these two shop, besides they have their own issues to deal with. Have not been in Phil's shop, but Phil did start the topic of copying someone elses pattern and wanting to know if it is okay? WOuldn't think this would happen at Phil's being he started the topic and is Bret's friend. Have heard of rumors about a shop in Branson doing this before, but then those are just rumors. Which of the three shops could it be? Could it be one of the shops I have not been to in about a month, possibly OR is it Phil's, who is inquiring if it is okay to copy someone elses fly pattern and profit from it? At this time, I will have to wait for conclusive evidence to make my final decision. Maybe, I will come across Bret and ask him for the real story. It is pitiful that the art of fly tying has come to this. jim

Phil, Thanks for the laugh, . It was actually Copenhagen between my cheek and gum. I am sure I could come up with an original creation of my own to enter into a tying contest, and I believe a number of other tiers could do so as well. Though numerous people have asked me how he ties them, I have not really wanted to tie Brett's scuds, but thanks for wishing me luck in trying to COPY them. jim

AMEN, loo10, AMEN! Okay then, why not have a CONTEST? There are a number of good tiers out there that may just take part in something like this. Plus, it gives those who think they are such talented tiers, who look down at us average tiers, the opportunity to show off their unmatched skills. jim

A Crackleback is a good attractor fly. It can represent many different types of food to trout. To me, it is a good representation of an emerging caddis when fished on the swing and stripped, or I believe the reason it is such an effective pattern at Taneycomo is that it possibly represents a swimming scud, when stripped. When I do fish it at Taneycomo, above the hatchery boat ramp in the shallow water I use a floating line, below the ramp in the deeper water I use an intermediate line. jim

People taking credit for something others have done or demonstrated, happens all the time. In fact, someone was scorned for pointing it out on this forum earlier this month, but I will not go there, whether it was credable information or not. I know how Brett feels about his pattern being duplicated by someone else, credit being taken, and sold as a creation of their own. The same thing has happened to me, with the mohair leech dubbing color blends I mixed up / created. This is very UNETHICAL and DISRESPECTFUL, but then these individuals get the undeserved recognition. The ONLY pattern that is PATTENED is Jim Teeny's Teeny Nymph. Possibly the many variations he has created may fall under this Patten as well. In fact, there was an editorial on this a while back in either American Angler or Fly Rod and Reel magazine. Copyrighted material, whether written or televised, falls under some different definitions, is available for public use with certain restrictions. If a pattern is made available to the public, written, demonstrated, or pictured or otherwise, by an individual, then I see no reason why someone cannot tie it and use it. If a tyer modifies the pattern to be easier to tie or more productive for them, why can't they take credit for the modifications of the pattern? But at least, give credit to the originator of the fly, if known. jim

Slay and fillet four rainbows 12" and under a day, everyday, 365 days a year. No mercy to stocker rainbows. If this is carried out, it would eliminate 1,460 stocker rainbows a year, by one person. If 514 anglers participated, the approximately 750,000 rainbows stocked annually, plus a few extra, would be remove from Taneycomo and would not have as much opportunity to compete with the larger fish for food. Piece of cake, as concerned as those are for wanting to have a trophy fishery, there should be no problem in accomplishing this plan. But seriously, the one thing that everyone is OVERLOOKING is that, Lake Taneycomo does have a TROPHY FISHERY, for BROWN TROUT. No matter were you are on the entire lake a Brown Trout must be 20" or longer before you can legally keep it. Isn't that why there are so many people fishing the Upper End of Taneycomo now, and this phenominon seems to happen every Fall. Fly fishing publications all the time are putting out stories, that if you want to catch a trophy brown, to go to Tierra Del Feuego (spelling?), the Great Lakes region and once in a while the Yellowstone region, and these fish are only available for a short season as well. But for only an approximatley 23 mile long fishery, with <1% of natural reproduction, Lake Taneycomo produces its fair share of Trophy Brown Trout. The best thing is you do not have to spend hundreds to thousands of dollars in travel or at least those of us who live locally do not. When you take the time to think about it, Lake Taneycomo provides us with TWO premium, quality, coldwater fisheries. It's hard to believe, though it really does. 1) A put and take fishery for Rainbow Trout. 2) A Trophy Fishery for Brown Trout, which has produce two IGFA records and current State record. What more do you want? The one thing I would like to see is to be able to take suckers from the Restricted Area with other methods, gigging and grabbing. jim

If there was another Restricted Area put in below Branson, then the MDC would have to change the Regulations and make it manditory to have a Trout Permit for the entire lake, which should have been done anyway. The bass fisherman could not handle buying a Trout Permit to fish for bass and is why the cut off is at 65 hwy bridge. Everyone has to get over the fact that Lake Taneycomo is a put and take trout fishery. It is stocked with approximately 750,000 Rainbow and approximately 25,000 Brown Trout annually. It is a Trout Park, just like some of the MDC Officials call it, with the exception of not having to purchase a daily tag, time restrictions, a closed/catch and release season and the numerous other Regulations set. BUT, if they did regulate it like the Trout Parks, no night fishing, no shuffling, three areas with fly/lure/bait restrictions and a closed/catch and release season. Now there is an idea, a little bit of everything to satisfy everyone. We will more than likely NEVER see Lake Taneycom be what it was like, prior to the early eighties, before Branson became so popular and the development boom started. Also, no matter what regulations are installed on Taneycomo or sugestted no one is or will be happy. The one regulation that is in effect for the entire lake is a 20" length limit on brown trout and has become some what of a trophy fishery for browns. Maybe a length limit needs to be set for rainbows? 15"? Fall Creek to 65 Hwy Bridge, you are required to have a Trout Permit if fishing in that area? No matter what ideas or suggestions are made to the MDC about Lake Taneycomo, they will not change anything at this time, do to the numbers and size of fish in their yearly samplings. The MDC is happy with the current status of Taneycomo, though an increasing number of us are not. jim

Wayne, Thanks for the laugh. It is great to be a fly fisher, and have these special twisted benefits. Too bad, the MDC did not include plastic explosives for a legal fly tying material. Just think how many fish one could take out with a size 14 Primacord Worm. But then again, looking at this from your point of view, fly fishers are the ones really getting stiffed. There are many more miles of trout waters that can be fish without any fly/lure restrictions. Taneycomo is a prime example; it is approximately 23 miles long and has approximately 20 miles of no bait/lure restrictions and one can gig suckers in that area as well. AT Bennett Springs, you can not even flyfish in Zone 3, during the regular season. The BOTTOM LINE is these Definitions, Rules and Regulations were created for the benefit of the fishery,for everyone, not just fly anglers. If you have not noticed, since the Trophy Management Area was established, with the current lure/bait restrictions, on the upper end of Taneycomo, the fishery has improved tremendously, especially in the size and quality of the fish. The mortality rate of fish caught and released has decreased tremendously because of the bait/lure restriction. With these Definitions, Rules and Regulations in place, I hope to see it some day like it was back in the 70's, with the average size fish about 18" to 20" and consistant catches of trophy fish in the 5# plus class. Unfortunately, the MDC probally won't stock Kokanee Salmon or Steelhead again for that oddity catch. jim