kev..........couple of things to add. For the non fly fishermen, use 4 lb low vis green. 2 sheds is right on with what he says. The gravel bars will be better for camping than the float camp. If stinkin pond is taken, (gravel bar) very well could be late on a satrday, hit the next gravel bar. Fishing is impossible from most float camps IMO. The nasty snag will be after the 2nd 90 degree turn in the river below turner. You make the turn, the river pools for 100 yds or so, and then the river channels to the left. The tree juts out from the left bank angled pointing to 2:00. The little gravel bar on the right is where you need to pull out to walk past. I have witnessed all the canoes tip here my last two trips. Sat in my boat just waitin to help pick up stuff!!!! Do not know how good the boys are at fishing, but if they are novices, you may want to take some worms or corn......a guy could catch about anything and have lots of action on worms.....to keep the boys interest if things are slow for them.