Wayne SW/MO

The car insurance as an example doesn't fly, you don't have to drive, you don't have to insure the vehicle and you don't have to insure yourself, just enough to to protect others from loss. I don't think Obamacare is a start. It was put together not in a committee but in Reids office, with incentives to different senators in order to buy their vote. When have we seen a bill covering an industry that large that takes years to apply and gives out incentives that only apply to chosen states, not on a need basis, just a political basis. If a group of doctors wrote a bill with virtually no input from any other skill, who do all of you think it would benefit most? Now answer the same question if the group is composed of lawyers.

Some points. The CBO keeps changing their figures. Manufacturers don't have to give the Chinese health insurance. The true cost of health care is cloudy at best. If you are footing the bill you will get one cost, if insurance is paying another, if Medicare is paying another, etc. I was free of the industry until a few years ago and now I've gotten an eye opening experience. I've seen charges of $150 reduced to $14 because it was under contract. The bill didn't even attempt to level the field before it was passed. Medicine is as important and maybe more important the the diagnosis, yet they industry got a bye. I suspect if this thread is started 5 years from now it will see a far greater negative response then it will today because only the favorable sides will take affect before the election. The child extension and the pre-existing has started but won't hit the pocketbook for a few years. Here's a question, I don't know the answer, Where does the money from the no insurance tax go to?

It's not just NRO, it's too many liveries, including the Missouri DNR, people and no enforcement. It is a shame. The purple is probably the land and cattle company. They don't want people spoiling the river before their cows have a chance too.

Have you read The Civil War on the Western Border 1854-1865 by Jay Monaghan? It goes into great detail about what led up to the Civil War and why many historians believe it actually started in 1854 on the Missouri/Kansas border. My family is from the NW part of Missouri and in doing family research it's obvious that the river corridor and Western Missouri was heavily influenced by the South. Much of it still existed through the '50's in families that predated the war.

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There are always good and bad parts of any new bill, especially if it's a major overhaul. If you pick and choose you can go either way. The question is if the act is the best thing going. Can you solve all the ailments of healthcare without input form from a group with knowledge of all the aspects? Can you tell one part of the healthcare industry how much money it can make, but not allow it to compete across state lines first to see if it would lower cost? Can you let two very important parts of it out of the bill without touching them because it makes the predominate occupation of the senate millionaires? We don't know the cost now as it is written in Taxes, jobs, quality of care. It was no accident that checks are coming before they start going the other direction. There is no doubt that lack of healthcare in a country that demands everyone be treated humanely and that no one be left out because of a pre existing condition be left out. The question is can you solve all these problems by writing a bill quickly and then buying votes by giving different electorates special benifits in a country that promotes equality?

Rules, whether you like them or not are for everybody. I don't fish the lake, but is there any notification at the lake that it is an R & R lake?

Creek wader I think that Bill Anderson, of Quantrill fame, got "Bloody" added to his name after he executed soldiers taken from a train on that route.

Nothing on this side.

That's why I've never heard of it, bad location.

Sounds like fun. I would take a variety next time however because in my experience they can be picky at times. We used to use JB's a lot and it was good probably 2/3rds of the time, but when it wasn't it wasn't. They do seem to come back to a successful bait however, eventually. We were trotline fishing on the Washita river in OK one night and a channel around 10# was caught on a R & R. Knowing wild critters were around he put it in a wire crappie basket for safe keeping overnight. Next morning he found the door, that had been wired, was torn open and bent out of the way and of course empty. There were otter tracks all around the area. You could see where it had first tried to pry the wire apart on the side, but then figured out how to get the wire loose and then bend the door out of its way so that he could pull the fish, which wasn't much smaller then the door opening diameter, out. Coons down here are notorious for getting distemper and when they do they lose some of their fear. I don't know if that is what you witnessed or not.

I caught the Symbicort early. I happen to use it so it caught my attention. I've considered e-mailing them and point out that an ad like that insults my intelligence. I can handle small mistakes, but that ad is ridiculous.

I know my fishing buddy and I were suspicious that they were there in '08. We fished for carp below the dam and there was one area on the east bank (Powersite) where your line would simply separate.

Actually the engine was said to be pretty reliable and the continued to use it in Europe. It was around for 2 years, but a big problem was it couldn't be sold in CA or NY. It didn't meet CA emission standards. There is suppose to be another one on the horizon with a engine from the same company, but it is suppose to meet all the standards and is being used now by Mercedes. The Wrangler, which won't be offered here gets 28/36, compared to a gas 15/19. We won't see it though. It doesn't help that fuel cost are inflated. I suspect that if we were making diesel out of grass, cooking oil and turkey parts and driving vehicles that averaged 32 mpg, oil companies and DC wouldn't be happy.

I saw this morning that galena is at 71 cfs, very low. I would imagine the leaf litter is do to the trees dropping a lot of leaves, they are here, and no water to flush them. What did you use the kayak for?

Never knew that.

Two problems Andy. One is that the powers that be want to jump to the finish line in one big leap, ain't gonna happen, but it's what makes the best overall political sense. Diesel can be made to be as clean or cleaner than gasoline, but you can make the fuel out of garbage and that isn't a high profit item. NG is also cleaner and more readily available, but again it is hard to add a big margin on it because we control the supply domestically. But there is not as much money in either than there is in crude oil based fuels. , and that is the second problem. Chrysler put a diesel in the very popular Liberty, but it only did well overseas. I would imagine fuel cost had a lot to do with it. Diesel is easier to make than gasoline, but it's also easier to slip a bloated price past the consumer so they can keep ripping. Electric is far from the answer, it's hard to sell me that a vehicle that cost a premium and that runs on either the highest CO2 producing energy or the second highest is a step forward, seems sideways to me.

It's hard to compare the US to China with a big, make it huge difference in population and an oppressing government, unless you want develop the same type government and an overpopulation of ethnic groups. We need to solve our problems in ways that work for us and not some country that we have few things in common with. It would help if we all thought for ourselves and not some controlling party doctrine.

If you got any results that would be an award in itself. I've had some luck on hot dogs in the past, especially if they are marinated. It has been a long time since I used any, but we used chopped shrimp, garlic, chopped chicken livers and anise, not all at the same time. We ran everything but the anise through a blender and then mixed it with salt and water and soaked the sliced hot dogs in it for a few days. I remember it being a lot like the old JB, some days it was a hot bait and other a complete bust.

I tried to find a picture that was taken in Idaho that was of a sturgeon from the Snake and supposedly weighed 1500 lbs. It was on a wagon and I don't think there were ever any details. I couldn't find it however.

Sounds like there is a possibility of no net gain, or less. If that's true the once again there is no traction and our money is wasted.

Not really a walleye fisherman, but BS is much older so I suppose the odds are better for size there. LOZ would be another sleeper, it's has had them around "forever" also. Of course odds and fishing never seem to work out like they do in gambling.

I can see the need to keep close tabs on them, and I suppose with the drought going on it beats watching the grass grow. Interesting stuff JD.

I seriously doubt that the Chinese have education figures that can be compared to many other countries. If you talking about Chinese outside of Chine, then you have to pretty much include the whole mongoloid population in Asia. It also helps to ignore all the scientific and technological achievements of Americans, because if you don't do that the education figures are meaningless. I always hate to see a debate thread turn political and kill it. Thanks Chief for slipping in the "Its their fault" for all that troubles the nation..

Has anyone used the "sticky baits"? Small cats aren't really worth keeping because they don't produce the meat that deep bodied fish do, but they grow fast if they would turn them back. People often create a vicious circle, they keep smaller fish because there are none larger and create a pool of small fish! I always liked them about 15" to 20".