Phil Lilley

Not sure you meant it this way- but it's not a "problem" that the waste is hauled off- that's a good thing, right? Just clarifying.

Hopefully not tomorrow!!

And yes, Trav, I will list these someplace prominent on ozarkanglers. Great idea.

Terry- you outdid yourself.

LIAR'S POSE- When an angler holds the fish at arms length in front of the camera to distort the size of his catch. (you fill in the blank)- A guide, calling or labeling a trout in a pic 19 inches when it's obviously only 15.

PIROUETTE – The maneuver used when one slips on a rock in the middle of the stream. Usually followed by a loud splash and a trip to the truck to dry off and warm up. This usually happens in less than 30 inches of water and makes the angler look really stupid when he slips under the water.

So that's where they were...

Jump on it, Terry.

St. Louis Cardinals' cash flow not as fluid as many thought By Rick Hummel http://preview.tinyurl.com/9qz3z6 ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH Wednesday, Jan. 07 2009 Not that the Cardinals have spent that much this offseason, but they might have less to spend than many have surmised. After a couple of minutes of calculations at his Busch Stadium desk Tuesday, Cardinals vice president and general manager John Mozeliak came up with a figure, probably conservative, that his team would owe at least $10 million more this season to its five arbitration-eligible players. Those players are outfielders Ryan Ludwick, Rick Ankiel and Chris Duncan and pitchers Todd Wellemeyer and Brad Thompson. Collectively, that fivesome made just more than $3 million in 2008, but as players with three years' big-league service, (nearly three in Duncan's case) you would be lucky to get any more than one or two of them for $3 million now. "Everybody talks about how much money we had come off (the books), but there's the realities of the arbitration cases," said Mozeliak, "and then there's players entering their second years of multiyear contracts, like your Wainwrights and your Molinas, that are going to see bumps as well." For instance, righthander Adam Wainwright will go from $500,000 to $2.6 million and catcher Yadier Molina from $1.75 million to $3.25 million as part of the escalation in their tiered multi-year deals. "So there isn't as much freedom as people felt we had with guys like (Mark) Mulder coming off the books," Mozeliak said. "There's definitely some internal increases (outfielder Skip Schumaker among others) that we're dealing with. All in, it's probably close to $20 million." Ludwick, coming off a 37-homer, 113-RBI season, made $411,000 and could get 10 times as much this time. Wellemeyer, who has five years' service and is one year from free agency, could go from $1 million to $4 million after a 13-9 season in his first season as a big-league starter. Given this backdrop then, is it possible, or even likely, that the Cardinals will trade an outfielder to get pitching that they need? Mozeliak ruled out nothing but also said that the Cardinals' opening day roster might include all of the aforementioned outfielders plus rookie Colby Rasmus and Joe Mather, who last year filled a utility role, a role that might be expanded to third base and perhaps even second base this spring. Mozeliak said a trade of an outfielder wouldn't be made because of payroll but rather the potential overload at the position, which encompasses minor-league prospects Jon Jay, Shane Robinson and Daryl Jones. But he added, "I do think there's a way that all these guys (the six at the big-league level) make it. There is a scenario." The Cardinals seem to have upgraded at shortstop with Khalil Greene and have three different lefthanders in their bullpen from the year before. But that basically has been the extent of the offseason wheeling and dealing, which, of course, leaves many fans in a tizzy although the season is 90 days away. Early in the offseason, Mozeliak spoke of being "aggressive" and also said the Cardinals would try to garner some "low-hanging fruit." "If I read the papers and if I go online to read the blogs, I'd probably be more aware of (the discontent)," said Mozeliak, who agreed that St. Louis fans hold the Cardinals to a high standard. "I can't ignore that, but that can't be the basis of the direction we go in. "I have to do what's best long-range and not make mistakes just to appease the headines tomorrow." That having been said, Mozeliak said he might use different terminology for public consumption from here on out. "When I said we were going to plan on being aggressive, I thought we were," Mozeliak said. "I'm not a wordsmith. Maybe I shouldn't use words like that." And low-hanging fruit? "I've been getting killed on that," said Mozeliak, smiling. "To me, that's defined as getting things done quickly — like getting (Jason) LaRue done and obviously (Kyle) Lohse. "I guess I just need to choose my words a little better — or talk less." Mozeliak said his pitching priority now probably would be starting pitching — which might not happen until he sees his club play this spring — rather than relieving because he believes in youngster Chris Perez as his potential closer, with Jason Motte coming fast. "I know it's not optimal the way Tony (manager Tony La Russa) looks at it," Mozeliak said. "But we went with a very young outfield last year that got the same type of scrutiny and questions that now our bullpen is getting. I'm using that as a barometer that it works. "We had the same type of faith in Ludwick and Ankiel and that group as we do with Perez and Motte and (Kyle) McClellan." rhummel@post-dispatch.com | 314-340-8196

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Check the topic that's pinned at the top of the LT forum- Taneycomo Tournaments. I think it's late Feb.

January 04, 2009 09:45 pm http://www.joplinglobe.com/local/local_story_004214620.html — By Wally Kennedy wkennedy@joplinglobe.com An appeal hearing on the construction and operating permits for the Ozbun chicken concentrated animal feeding operation near Roaring River State Park will start at 9 a.m. Thursday, according to a spokeswoman for the Missouri Administrative Hearing Commission. The two-day hearing will take place in Room 540 of the Truman Building in Jefferson City. The Ozbun CAFO houses up to 65,600 pullets for George’s Processing, a poultry plant near Cassville. It was granted an operating permit on Aug. 22, 2007, by the Missouri Department of Natural Resources. The CAFO is within a mile or so of the river and the state park, a popular tourist destination in Barry County. Local residents, supported by trout fishermen, environmentalists and tourism groups around the state, have formed the Roaring River Parks Alliance to oppose the CAFO and the possible construction of other CAFOs near the state park. Similar controversies have erupted regarding hog and chicken CAFOs near other state parks and historic sites, such as the Arrow Rock and Battle of Athens state historic sites. Opponents have argued that the CAFO at Roaring River will damage water quality in the spring and river, and be a drain on tourism. The opponents also have said they will attempt to show that the DNR circumvented the original construction permit by allowing changes after the fact. The changes were made, they allege, without the public having an opportunity to comment on them. Opponents also plan to cite the geology of the site, noting that there is a losing stream on the property that is an unnamed tributary to Roaring River. A losing stream is a water body that may lose and gain flow as water moves through the hydrologic system. It is not clear how a recent decision by Cole County Circuit Judge Patricia Joyce will affect the hearing. The judge’s ruling prohibits the construction of hog CAFOs within two miles of the Arrow Rock State Historic Site. Originally, the judge created a 15-mile buffer around the park, but she later decided to reduce that to two miles. State regulators say the waste-management system for the Ozbun CAFO has been designed and permitted as a no-discharge operation, which means wastes are contained and stored until proper land application can take place. Michelle and Rodney Ozbun, owners of the CAFO, have retained Michael Schmid, an associate in the firm of Schreimann, Rackers, Francka and Blunt in Jefferson City, to represent them. The Roaring River Parks Alliance will be represented by John Price, of Springfield. The DNR will be represented by an attorney associated with the Missouri attorney general’s office. Commission The Missouri Administrative Hearing Commission, part of the executive branch of state government, is a neutral, administrative tribunal that functions as a court-like or quasi-judicial entity to resolve conflicts involving permits and other contested issues in Missouri.

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TRAV!!!! It's sure good to see you back on the forum!!!

25-35 boats or teams. If you have over 8 pounds (8 trout), usually you're in the money.

Culling at these tournament has drawn some interesting discussion on this forum. Because trout tournaments are not covered by MDC's rules for culling, it is not lawful... but no one has been penalized for culling at any trout tournament on Taneycomo that I know of.

I have an article on OA about targeting big browns - http://ozarkanglers.com/index.php?option=c...1&Itemid=48 Hope this helps.

We have a couple of rooms left for this weekend (Jan 9-10). We have a private tournament Saturday so all our jons and bass boats are rented but we do have our pontoons open. Have some singles and a small 2 bedroom open- I can do $45 per night, 2 night minimum. This is the same deal I do for the tournament guys. My next public trout tournament is January 31. Call the girls at 1-800-284-2196 for reservations and tell them you saw it on the forum. We also are still doing our fishing buddy special in January and February. Weekdays, Sunday thru Thursday nights, 2 night minimum - $29 per night for 2-3 people. Cannot be used for any night's stay with a weekend stay. A good, comprehensive fishing report must be emailed or posted on the forum no more than 24 hours after you get home from the trip. Reservations are made through me, not the office, by emailing me at lilley @lilleyslanding.com.

Tried posting in html... not sure what break lines are but it puts my paragraphs in boxes.

The holidays are past us... do the holidays mess up anyone else's daily biological clock like it does mine? You know... all the eating, snacking, trying to figure out if it's a weekend or weekend or "when do I go back to work?" As much as I love Christmas and New Years, I'm actually glad when it's all over and we go back to our regular routines. Even our generation schedule gets messed up. Weekend and weekday patterns are always different so when you have eves and holidays during the week, they too change and confuse me. But they all are behind us and even generation schedules are back to normal. What are they? Well, I started checking the Corp internet site with the daily generation schedule last week- I've never been a fan because the posted times and flows can and do change so it's not very reliable. But for a few days it seemed to be right on... which is really nice. But yesterday, they lied. Well, lied is a strong word but you get me point. The Corp posted they were going to shut the water down from 11 am till 6 pm so I'd planned to go to the dam and wade with a friend, Duane Doty. At 1 pm, they were still running water so we had to change our plans. We boated instead. So you can check out their site and see when they think they may run water but don't bank on it. Click here for Southwest Power Administration's Schedule Site Generation patterns have been fairly consistent lately. During warm spells, our water is running less. When it gets cold, they run more. The Corp has plenty of water now to run so they aren't afraid to use it for power. Table Rock is right at power pool, a great place to be at the beginning of the year. I bet they are looking for a wet winter and spring so if they need power they'll run it. On moderate days, they are running water in the mornings till about 10 am and starting it back up about dark till 9 or 10- pm. Weekends- they tend to run less but again, it depends on temperature. Fishing has been pretty good regardless of water movement. The resort was very busy over the holiday week. Lots of fisherpeople hit the lake and docks and most caught their limits everyday. Some of the dock anglers had trouble when the water was running though but those out in boats did well. With the water running, we have been drifting eggs flies and scuds from Lookout Island to Fall Creek and catching alot of rainbows. These trout are running from 8 to 15 inches with most under 12 inches. In the winter we get alot of rainbows from the Neosho Federal Hatchery and these trout tend to be smaller then the ones we get from our local hatchery, Shepherd of the Hills. We call them "silver bullets" because they're small and silver with not much color. They grow up to be beautiful trout, if they get that chance. Egg flies are tied with yarn in various colors- peach, orange, yellow and other shades of red/orange are good colors. We tie them on #8- 2487 hooks and are legal to use in the trophy area. For the scud pattern, we use a #10- 3769 hook and vary the colors- olive, tan, brown or gray. For best results tie a egg and scud in line about 18 inches apart. I use 4 pound line, tie on the egg first and then a scud 18 inches down from the egg. Then pinch on a split shot about 24 inches above the egg. Size of split depends on the depth and speed of the water I'm fishing. I want the flies to be right on the bottom. We drift right down the middle of the lake where there's not much to get snagged on- all gravel. I'd tell you to drift this rig up below the dam but honestly we have not done as well up there as we have in this stretch. Duane and I got out yesterday and casted some jigs and did real well. Again, we found the best area was from Lookout Island to Fall Creek, using 1/8th oz white jigs and working them on the bluff bank side. Our trout ran quite a bit bigger in size than our trout on egg flies. We caught some real nice brown trout too, up to 17 inches with beautiful colors. Caught one rainbow in spawning colors- real pretty. Had to work it close to the bottom which meant losing some jigs to the rocks and downed trees but that's all part of it. Again, I use 4 pound line with a medium-light action spin rod. Actually, Lilleys' Landing carries a great one-piece spin rod that's perfect for jig fishing. I have them built custom just for jig fishing for trout. Lots of rainbows to be caught below Fall Creek. The drift from Fall Creek past Short Creek isn't too bad. Stay in the middle of the lake to avoid trees and snags along the bluff bank. Drift Gulp Power Eggs, using one white and one of another color like pink, yellow or orange on the bottom using a drift rig or just a hook and split shot. Night crawlers are good too. And now we have started carrying minnows again for the winter season. Hook them through the eyes and drift them just like you would night crawlers or eggs. Like crawlers, you have to let the trout take the bait a bit before setting the hook. We've had some anglers casting crank baits and having some success. There's an interesting number of browns being caught lately and the best lure you can use for browns is crank baits like rapalas, pointers and rogues. Colors and size vary. I'd say use what you have- best are medium to large sizes. Don't be shy to try big baits. Big browns eat small rainbows but a small rainbow is 8 to 10 inches.

Don't think we do at all. I firmly believe the walleye and bass that were caught this summer came over Table Rock Dam during the flooding. Most were caught out. Some are still below the dam but not many. Some I'm sure migrated downstream. There's been alot of discussion in previous topics about this subject. Stripers and other fish survive the fall at Beaver each time their flood gates are opened so why wouldn't smaller fish like walleye and bass? The gates were opened just at the right time to catch walleye at the dam face spawning. I would make any trips to Taney to target walleye. Bass- that's another thing. Good bass fishing on Taney but I'd fish the lower lake.

Duane and I planned on wading below the dam this pm and shoot another video BUT the corp lied on their schedule page and that water ran all day today. Oh well. We boated to the dam and jig fished instead. No video. It was cold! Slight wind coming upstream making jigging difficult but not impossible. Duane tied on a white and me, an olive. He caught the first 6 trout. Wasn't killing them at all but they obviously were liking white and not dark. We paused just below the ramp along the clay bank and tried to entice some midging rainbows but could not. Went back to drifting white jigs, 1/8th oz, and caught a few more against the chunk rock bank at KOA- Duane did. I think I finally caught one before we hit Lookout island. We continued down, casting against the bluff bank. I finally found my touch and started hooking fish. Caught a few nice browns and a few rainbows. No real patterns. We did tried the shallow side- nothing. Caught all our fish on the bluff bank.

July - January... details!! I guess my mind has to input ONE slip per video. That's the average so far. #16 black soft hackle Using 4x, 12 ft leader with about 4 feet of 6x tippet, 5 wt rod, floating line.

Question Brian- how did you get the high quality option on your upload? Great video- thanks for sharing it.

Here's another attempt to video myself fishing... trying to show how I fish soft hackles. I posted this on the main OA page and on my facebook- actually the main page posting is really good. I used flash, which I've used before but this time for some reason it's pretty clear. Now if I can just remember how I did it!!