Phil Lilley

I think it's 25. Can't gig above Fall Creek on Taney. But there's plenty of suckers below.

Too many trout was the problem back in the late 70's and early 80's, enough to deplete the food base in the lake. Trout management is always a challenge. When we were debating whether or not the new regs would actually work in 95, that was one of the main concerns. One thought was that trout would start dying of starvation in the upper end because of a lack of food if there got to be too many fish. I don't think there's many fish kept by waders when the water is off but when the water is running, I know that guides will take their clients up to the dam and drift egg flies and keep their clients' limits, rainbows under 12 inches.

What a buck! He'll have a hard time out doing this one! I have the same problem... my first deer was a nice buck, my biggest buck so far. Thanks for sharing!

Without sounding "smart", this forum is almost 2 years old and full of information on Table Rock, what lures, where to use them and when. Go back to the era you're interested in fishing, ie fall, winter, spring, summer, and read some of the reports. There's also "How to" threads describing several techniques used on the lake. There are quite a few vets on Table Rock that will be more than willing to help with specific questions. I didn't answer your "where" question. Some of the best places to buy specific lures for specific lakes are at shops close to or on the lake itself. But Bass Pro and Cabelas are also great places to look.

No. No way. They've made that very clear.

The people who call the "shots" aren't at Beaver, Table Rock or Bull Shoals Dams but probably in Tulsa at the Southwest Power Administration's offices. This is how I assume they make their decisions on who and when to generate. They estimate power consumption and then decide what the cheapest way to get it. Factor in varied facility conditions... fossil burning plants and nuclear plants both have down time for maintenance. Hydro has restrictions in the fall because of low DO periods. Then lake levels are factored in. They set a plan, weekly, monthly- whatever. But in the middle of a plan, factors change and generation schedules change- sometimes at a moment's notice. The operators have some knowledge but only so far out. But they do what they're told. Hope this helps... hope it's fairly accurate. Doesn't help estimating for your trip, unfortunately. But again, that's the nature of tailwaters.

One unit down to 703.5 right now. That's about the lowest level they can run. I just noticed it down in front of my office and the water barely moving and thought it may be shut down. They may shut it down today.

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Gene Dunaway, President of Friends of the North Fork and White Rivers www.friendsoftherivers.org sends the following for your action. October 30, 2007 RE: Baxter County Quorum Court Ordinance to require Developers to acquire Stormwater Permits prior to ground alteration Dear Friends, In-stream gravel mining suspended on Crooked Creek First, some really good news. The Pollution Control and Ecology Commission (PC&EC) indefinitely suspended in-stream gravel mining on Crooked Creek in the Guy King appeal case last Friday! Friends and the Crooked Creek Coalition intervened in the case, represented by Richard Mays. This is a “watershed” event where ADEQ and the Commission have recognized that this kind of mining is detrimental to our streams. It is another step towards ending this senseless practice that is destroying our stream channels and increasing sediment, the main form of pollution in our streams. We applaud ADEQ and the Commission for their actions. Baxter County Erosion Prevention Ordinance Fails – Very Important! Now, back to business. As you may have read or heard in the local news, the Baxter County Quorum Court (QC) voted 8 to 3 against the above mentioned ordinance requiring developers to prove they have a plan in place to prevent erosion, prior to ground alteration. Historically, many area developers have started clearing land before obtaining a storm water permit from ADEQ. By the time the ADEQ, which is complaint driven, gets involved, the damage is already done. With this ordinance, the County will have authority to require a plan to be in place before clearing begins. They can also monitor developments and enforce a "Stop Order" for those in violation. The ordinance is identified as "Baxter County Quorum Court Ordinance establishing minimum standards for development projects relating to ground alteration, grading and erosion control." A copy can be obtained from Judge Hall's office. After the ordinance was voted down by the QC Judge Hall referred it back to the Environmental Committee who agreed to bring it before the QC at the Nov. 6 meeting for reconsideration. It was also recommended that letters in support be sent to the various QC members and calls made showing support. To expedite that effort, I have attached a letter of support for this ordinance along with a list of the QC members and their contact information. If you are not sure of which member is your representative or if you live outside the county, please send your letter to Judge Hall. These letters will be brought to the QC meeting to be presented as proof of your support. It is also important to note that the City of Cotter has adopted the ADEQ Regulations regarding Stormwater Runoff into their city building codes. The City of Norfork Planning Commission has announced their support of this ordinance as a means to help control the river construction that is taking place in the Norfork area. It is also imperative that we show public support by our presence at the QC meeting on Nov 6 at 6:00 pm. Your attendance will be appreciated. The Deadline for mailing this letter must be this Friday in order to reach the QC in time for the meeting. Please do not let this opportunity pass. Also, feel free to pass this along to any interested party. For the rivers, Gene Gene Dunaway President Friends of the North Fork and White Rivers, Inc. POB 61 Mountain Home, AR 72564 Sample Letter: Oct 25, 2007 Quorum Court Representative’s Name Address Re: Baxter County Quorum Court Ordinance establishing minimum standards for development projects relating to ground alteration, grading and erosion control Dear Sir, I was disappointed to hear the Quorum Court voted against this ordinance. It is a critical issue that needs your attention and support. The problem is 1) even though ADEQ regulations are required by AR Law, ADEQ does not have sufficient personnel to monitor the large areas they cover, and 2) with the system being essentially complaint driven, by the time a violation is reported by citizens, it is too late. The damage is done. I know you are aware of developments, both large and small, such as Overlook Estates that are causing significant damage to our streams, our economy and adjoining landowners. This ordinance is crucial as it requires Developers to show they have a plan and are in compliance prior to disturbing the ground. It will most certainly help reduce the amount of violations and help protect our beautiful area. I strongly urge that you reconsider passing this Ordinance and to support these efforts. Best regards, Your name and address Baxter County Quorum Court Members 2007/2008 District Name / Address Phone 1 Charles Hopper ® 431-5774 145 Hickory Flats Ln Lakeview, AR 72642 2 Mickey Pendergrass ® 425-6356 Off 94 Jewell Lane 425-4399 Home Clarkridge, AR 72623 3 Ed Toscano ® 467-5810 197 CR 810 Gamaliel, AR 72537 4 Eddie White (D) 425-2069 1739 CR 27 Mt. Home, AR 72653 5 David Lemoine ® 425-7869 1037 S. College St. Mt. Home, AR 72653 6 Dick House (D) 425-5555 Off 701 S. College St. 430-5060 Home Mt. Home, AR 72653 7 Wade Robinson ® 404-9484 1801 Ashbriar Dr. Mt. Home, AR 72653 8 Kevin Bodenhammer (D) 424-4477 98 Delicious Lane Mt. Home, AR 73653 9 Lynn Lasky ® 491-5765 107 Sycamore Springs Trail Mt. Home, AR 72653 10 Steve Litty ® 430-5047 214 CR 714 Gassville, AR 72635 11 Joshua Davis ® 499-5099 PO Box 458 Norfork, AR 72658 QC Judge Dan Hall ® 425-2755 One East 7th St. Mt. Home, AR 72653

I hunt up by Chillicothe on some friends farm. Usually don't go till Monday after opening.

There's really no way to know. That's the nature of tailwater fishing.

Welcome... hope we can help.

It is hard at this point to predict but I'd think they would shut it down for the weekend. I also heard that BS was supposed to be running on the 30th and it didn't ever come on.

It appears something is going on in the "big picture" of hydroelectric generation in our grid that includes Table Rock Dam. All of a sudden we're experiencing non stop generation for the last 30 hours or so which I'm sure is fouling up the plans of many waders who were hoping to wade the upper end of the lake, especailly at night. Wish Brian Shaffer was on board these days... he has a nack of finding out these things. At least the DO is staying at respectable levels during generation. Water temp is good and low- < 50 degrees.

You know there's still a ton of trout in this area... they were midging all over the place yesterday mid-day. They were working the banks heavy reported the Johnson group yesterday am which means dry fly action. You just have to hit it and try... that's fishing. It's not like they aren't there. DO seems to be real good cause the fish fought hard.

In Alaska, on the Naknek, the hook can't be more than 2 inches from the hook and it can be bare. On the Brooks River though the hook has to have at least 5 turns of thread. We wrap white thread on the body to make a maggot fly. Don't think the MO regs says anything about a bare hook but if this catches on, they may have to. I fished a 6 mm bead which is the smallest http://troutbeads.com has but you really need a smaller bead to imitate a trout egg. I've heard dries are working well in the area Bill is talking about. Which I had time to work it today.

Water running today since midnight... 1-2 units but not full tilt. I boated up to the cable about 11 am to try my trout beads. Pegged a 6 mm mottled peach egg 1 inch from a bare #10 2488 TMC hook with a small 3/0 split shot, 2 lb line and drifted it on the bottom. Picked up a 16 inch rainbow first 300 yards and then nothing for quite a while. I could see rainbows off the side of the boat while drifting so I brought the egg close to where I could see it. The trout were picking the egg up but spitting it out before I could feel the bite. Interesting. I submised the current was too slow- have to work on it some more. Tried a red san juan- no luck. Was surprised. Then a #10 greg scud and caught one. I was surprised I couldn't pick up more since I could see the rainbows feeding readily. John and company did well down at the Landing early this am using jig and float, zebra and float and the power egg/jig head under a float technique. Still lots of rainbows down in that area.

Got out this afternoon with John Johnson. Headed downstream at Bill babler's recommendation. We fished below Scotty's Dock using zebra midges #14 red 4-5 feet deet and fished the Branson side. Lots of rainbows midging and taking the zebra fairly well. Caught quite a few. John and I boated up to the trophy area after getting alittle bored. The rest switched to a jig head with a bit of gulp power egg under a float 4-5 feet and fishing picked up for them, they reported. We didn't do as well, unfortunately. They'd done fairly well this morning on zebra midges but although they were midging in the shallows this afternoon, they were spooky and we didn't catch but a few. Tried scuds and even dries with little success. Saw some nice trout up there but no wind and high sun equaled spooky fish. Trees are starting to turn. They'll be a peak by the weekend.

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In getting a poacher like this one in this circumstance, everything has to click... the agent has to be on duty and/or willing to pursue the call, has to have access to a boat in the right place where he feels he can get to them in time, a good description of the boat and people among other things. I would think that if this group or groups are violating in this manner consistently over a few nights or on weekends, they should either get them in the act or get them at the boat ramp as they pull out. But the more help they get from anglers like you all the better.

Excellent! Thanks!!!

No one is supposed to gig above Fall Creek so if there's a boat with lights within sight of the dam, they are in violation. Call 911

I'd like to go to Capps- sounds like a good excuse to me!

Got a call last night on my cell- a report from Leonard night fishing at KOA. I missed Leonard on the call back but the guy who answered said they'd seen and heard some guys in a boat gigging trout and supposedly bragging on how many they had- about 30. They'd called 911 and hopefully someone got the message and intercepted the poachers. Any news? I"m in Dallas for the weekend.