Phil Lilley

Line class record- isn't that catch and release only? Title of the topic is it was killed... was it?

Nice- I'll use that in a good place on the new site. Thanks

I was asked to delete this topic but instead I've deleted some posts and edited another. Let's keep private parts out of the forum, please.

<img src="http://www.ozarkanglers.com.php5-24.dfw1-2.websitetestlink.com/lake-taneycomo/files/2011/10/1234-362.jpg" alt="" width="500" height="228" /> Kenneth Liberton, caught 10/16 between outlet #2 and Rebar on a #18 KB Special We're pretty much at our fall color peak here on Taneycomo this week. The dry weather this summer hasn't really dampened autumn colors so we're enjoying bright yellows and oranges on the bluff across the lake from the resort. The trout . . . they don't care about those things. They do like the bugs that fall from the trees with the leaves though. Generation patterns have been consistant for the past couple of weeks until yesterday when the cold front forced the Corp to turn up the power and generate through the day. I believe once it warms back up, they'll go back to no generation during the day with slight generation mid afternoon till about 10 pm. Oxygen levels are almost nil when the water is off. The only oxygen we're getting is from the hatchery outlets and when they generate--they are injecting liquid O2 into the turbines bringing the O2 levels up to about 5 ppm. Sunlight also adds O2 to the water as well as wind. This is a seasonal issue we face every fall and both the trout and anglers have to deal with it. It tends to make fishing (catching) tough some days. The trout tend to kick back, using as little energy as needed to survive. High blue bird skies and no wind don't help either. The last couple of weeks, it seems that about every other day has been fair fishing and the other day has been poor. Again, this is pretty normal for this time of year. <img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-1187" title="Taneycomo Brown Trout" src="http://www.ozarkanglers.com.php5-24.dfw1-2.websitetestlink.com/lake-taneycomo/files/2011/10/DSC00517.jpg" alt="" width="500" height="281" /> Big trout are still being caught though, not just below the dam but down here too. Steve Makarewick caught a 9-pound brown last week below Fall Creek on a sculpin. It measured 27-inches. Other decent rainbows have been caught down close to the Landing and bass are being caught down there too. The rock wall bank along the Landing walkway has been a good place to look for bass--if you walk along the rail you will see them just off the bank. Of course, the Landing security won't let you fish off the walk. Up below the dam, we're seeing quite a few brown trout now. They are around outlets #1 and #2 as well as down in the rebar and gauntlet areas during the day. There are also a good number of big rainbows too. You'll see some fish on redds (spawning beds) in the rebar and gauntlet areas. Now on into November and December, we'll see the browns leave and more big rainbows move in to spawn. Night fishing has been pretty good. I got out last week one night and caught a few trout but also caught a bass and 2 walleye, nice ones too! Caught them on a sculpin 1/16th-ounce jig, working it off the bottom up by the cable wading just off the bank on the hatchery side. Others have been casting hibernators, leeches, big streamers, PMS in dark colors like black, brown, purple, olive and sculpin. Also pack some light colors too - white, gray and orange. You can work all the areas clear down to Trophy Run. During the day, scuds are working the best. I caught some rainbows this week using #12 gray or mink scuds tied on a 3769 TMC hook (straight rather than curved) and I use fire orange thread. The orange shows through the dubbing giving it a "dead" look. Freshwater shrimp turn orange when they die and dead scuds are easier to eat then live ones. I would drift them in the faster water at rebar and below. I was sight fishing to some rainbows in the lower section of the gauntlet (shoot below the rebar), had caught a few small ones when all of a sudden a large rainbow moved up into the water I was fishing. He moved up right in the middle of my drift so I let the line go ahead and move through so as not to disturb him. But he moved right into my line and my fly caught him in the back. Darn! When he felt the hook, he bolted upstream. Fortunately the hook didn't snag him but he didn't stick around to give me another shot. When the water is running, we've been working 3/32nd-ounce jigs from the dam down to Short Creek and doing pretty well. Good colors have been sculpin/orange, brown/orange, sculpin/ginger, sculpin, olive and white. Bites are soft so you really have to pay attention to what your line is doing. Night crawlers are still catching some nice rainbows between Fall Creek and Short Creek. This time of year we are thinking about going to 2-pound line but not yet. Water still has some color to it--it's not as clear as it usually is for this time of year so 4-pound line it fine. In our area and down lake, Power Bait is working good, especially when the water is running later in the day. I've been watching people anchored in front of our docks catching quite a few rainbows this week. Trolling has been good too. The trout seemed to be holding close to the surface so pulling a in-line spinner or small spoon through the water has snagging some rainbows. Problem is you have to dodge all the leaves.

Have a son in Beverly. Love your part of the country but haven't wetted a line there yet. Caleb's not an angler so he's no help. Glad you found us.

Got to go!! Driving back from Dallas right now. Be back tonight and am going in the am. Might go tomorrow night.

Use to go snake hunting in the flint hills of KS when I was a kid. Lots of fun. Timber rattlers and copperheads were the best finds.

Keith- I'm going to tell your story at Vince's service this morning... thanks!

Sweet.

I use floral orange thread when tying the scud. The orange shows through the dubbing, especially when it gets wet and worn. I cut the fur off a mink pelt, then cut small pieces out of the antron dubbing, trying to cut it all in half-inch strens. Put in a blender and mix it up. 3 parts mink and 1 part antron. Scuds turn orange when they die. Orange is a good attractant.

Visitation is at the College of the Ozark's Chapel Friday evening 5:30 - 7:30. Service is Saturday at the chapel - 11 am.

Those of you who knew Vince, you know we've lost a great friend, angler, worker, father and husband. Vince passed from this life to the next chapter of eternity last night at 7:10 pm. His family - wife Jo Beth, sons Joel and Luke and daughter Mica - all were singing praises to God when he breathed his last breath. Vince was diagnosed with an inoperable brain tumor last August, just before he guided for the Healing Waters event here at the resort. I remember his steadfast resolve and faith that no matter what, he was to keep living his life just as he had lived it- to the fullest. Vince and his family believes in a loving God, a personal God, who loves us in spite of our short comings (and we have many). They believe God is God, Almighty, Creator and Father. They believed God could heal Vince in a nanosecond, but also believed that His plan is not ours. In the end, we all knew we'd see a miracle- Vince couldn't lose- if he got up from his sick bed and started dancing a dance of healing, he'd win. If he went to sleep and woke up in the presence of Jesus... man! he would really win!!! And we'd rejoice either way- and we are. Although the illness took his speech a few weeks ago, he has been alert and responsive until a few days ago. He has not been on any pain medication since recovering from a brain biopsy last fall and wasn't last night, nor was he in any pain to the end- a miracle. The tumor affected the area of his brain that controls his emotions, so during all of his illness, he was always in a great mood, cutting jokes and firing off quick witted remarks. Sometimes they didn't make a lick of sense--but that just made them funnier. Vince was an avid outdoorsman and when I say avid, I mean his budget at home counted on fish and game in the freezer. He bow and gun hunted. He'd be in the woods before and after work this time of year. He had a true sportsman heart, being respectful and grateful for each animal he harvested and the laws that govern hunting and fishing. And boy could he catch fish! As much as I love to fish, he could fish me under the boat. On many fishing trips, I'd be ready to take a break but not Vince. We'd drive separately sometimes cause he was afraid I'd want to come in early- and he wouldn't have that! He loved to fly fish and spin fish. He'd work a jig to perfection. He tied his own jigs and flies and hardly ever bought new fishing equipment. I had to force him to buy new rods and reels when he began to guide several years back cause I told him no one would want to go out with him and use that old stuff. But he could make those old rod and reels sing! Vince and his kids competed in Like Father, Like Son National Fishing Circuit back about 10 years ago. He and his son Joel won the national tournament I think the second year they competed and won a log cabin kit. They had bought some land 25 years ago off Acacia Club Rd in Hollister and several years ago, constructed a small 2 BR cabin there in the woods. Their house north of town burned last spring, totaling the structure, so the cabin is where they've been; it's where Vince passed. He fished many of our trout tournaments here on Taneycomo but I don't think he ever finished first. He and I finished second in a Fall Creek Contest years ago and he won big trout- that's the best we ever did. But he also caught a keeper brown a few years ago during the Team Tournament. The brown trout pot had grown to $1800 and I remember saying - "If I had to give a big check away, I'm glad I had to give to my best friend! Now he owes me lunch!!" Vince was 52, 2 months younger than I. We were best friends, best fishing buddies for 27 years and I will miss him. But I know, I know! I will see him again soon and we'll have all the time there is to do those things God has planned for us and I trust, not just saying this, but I believe there's going to be some fishing involved. Our trip to Alaska 2 summers ago - <iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/EwpUB6teIxk" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

For reasons I'll share later today, I headed to the dam about 11:30 pm to spend some quiet time with my God. I took the spin rod and 1/16th oz jigs. One car in the lot. He was at outlet #2. I went up to outlet #1. Caught 3 rainbows of decent size on a grey jig. Switched to purple and dropped down below the flow and caught 3 more fish- 1 smallmouth about 14 inches and 2 walleye about 20 inches. Yes, Leonard, they're still in the lake for ya. Beautiful night. Moon was full and lite up the night when it peeked out from the clouds. Laid on the bank looking up at the skies for a while and marveled at the sight. It was a good time, good conversation. I need to do it more often. We all do, I think.

I didn't know about holding a big fish upright till earlier this year. I don't think it's widely known. Boga- yes I learned that in Alaska.

We have a few motors to sell. They are from our rental fleet so they have a lot of hours on them. 25 hp Yamahas Short Shaft. Elect Start (no battery) 2-cycle motors (they use gas/oil mix) Bought in 2008. Will have compression figures on all motors/cylinders Asking $1000 each. 90 days money back guarantee if they don't work out. Now these have always been slow to start. For that reason, they go through starters. We have learned to fix them ourselves but if they aren't used a great deal, they should last quite a while. They also have a pull start rope. These should be available to pick up sometime in November. We're still waiting to find out when our new ones will be in. I've had some guys ask about these and they will get first dibs. You know who you are!

Selling a 1995 Sea Nymph 16-foot bass boat. V-Bottom design. Side steer console. Live well. Storage. Bow Mount Trolling Motor. 2007 Yamaha 50 hp motor. Less than 100 hours on it. 1995 Sea Nymph Trailer- great shape. Asking $4,500.00 Will take and post pics later... it's raining right now.

Blender. Coffee grinder will work too- probably better.

And they absorb and hold scents ie powerbait. You can still fish with scented bait and still fishing allows the fish to take the bait deep causing higher mortality. Other soft plastic baits don't have the same effect like jerk baits or swim baits but they can't make the distinction between the two... they have to ban it all.

Thanks for posting all the reports.

<img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-290" title="Walleye on OzarkAnglers.Com" src="http://www.ozarkanglers.com.php5-24.dfw1-2.websitetestlink.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Untitled-1.jpg" alt="" width="500" height="277" /> Ned Kehde For about a decade, Keith Kavajecz and Gary Parsons have been aware that a few talented smallmouth bass fishermen, such as Kevin Van Dam of Kalamazoo, Michigan, have been inadvertently catching significant numbers of walleye on spinnerbaits while pursing smallmouth bass. What’s more, some of the specimens that Van Dam has allured to his spinnerbaits have been big enough to be called walruses. Besides Van Dam, Dave Rose of Grawn, Michigan, discovered several years ago that he could consistently catch walleye on windy days by casting and retrieving bass-style spinnerbaits. Rose is a veteran multispecies guide, and nowadays casting and slowly retrieving a half-ounce or smaller tandem-willow-bladed spinnerbait across patches of submerged vegetation, such as coontail, cabomba and cabbage, or making parallel casts and retrieves along the outside edges of the vegetation is such an effective tactic that it has become a standard part of his guiding repertoire at the waterways in his part of Michigan. Although Rose’s prowess at wielding a bass-style spinnerbait for walleye has been chronicled by some of the fishing media, Kavajecz and Parsons weren’t aware of it. <a href="http://www.in-fisherman.com/2011/10/09/trolling-bass-style-spinnerbaits-for-walleye-2/" target="_blank">Read More</a>

Life time fish - lots of excitement. I killed a 13-pound brown years ago just that way. I didn't realize I'd kept it out too long and it didn't survive. I wish it wasn't dead but it's going to happen. Keys to releasing live - try to land it as quick as possible. Don't use 7x. Use 5x if possible. Keep the fish in the water at all times- in a net. If you take a pic- lift the fish up just long enough to snap the pic. Work with the fish in the water, preferably close or in an outlet where the o2 is high for as long as it takes for it to swim off aggressively and watch it if you can. Don't assume the fish is ok just because it swam off.

Sorry

That doesn't surprise me. Lots of homeless in the Branson/Hollister area.

They came by today and showed us the pic= left us a copy. I asked about how it swam away... they said it was a 30 minute fight. I was afraid of that. It is EXTREMELY hard to catch and release any big fish right now. I don't fault the anglers... what are you going to do? Not go fishing? Not try to catch big fish? Catch 22

<img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-1122" title="Taneycomo" src="http://www.ozarkanglers.com.php5-24.dfw1-2.websitetestlink.com/lake-taneycomo/files/2011/10/Taneycomo.jpg" alt="" width="500" height="227" /> Got out this afternoon from 2-4:30 pm. Boated up to just below Andy's house and put the boat on the shallow side (right looking upstream) and started. The wind was blowing from the west or trying to push me away from the bank into deeper water. Good chop on the surface. Right off the bat, I could see lots of rainbows in the shallow water. At this point I had my boat in about 18 inches of water and as I moved down the lake (very slowly) my presence would move trout out of the shallow water and out off the bank about 30 feet. They were still in 3 feet of water or less and still feeding. I tied on a "mink" scud, tied on a 3769 hook, weighted #12. Mink is a combination of mink fur and brown antron - 3 parts mink and 1 part antron. This is another Rolan Duffield pattern. I also tie them using fl. orange thread. The bright orange shows through the dubbing. Scuds turn orange when they die and I've always done well using any scud with orange thread. I set the palsa float about 48 inches from the fly, 6x fluorocarbon tippet. I started hooking rainbows- fairly rapidly. Because there was no current, I would move the float/scud often. They were pretty aggressive, swallowing 6 of my scuds over the next hour of fishing. Had to just break them off and tie on a new fly. A majority of the rainbows were over 14 inches, fat and fought only fair. But they were sure pretty- good color and healthy. I was very pleasantly surprised to see that many rainbows up there. I've been saying, and so have the other guides, that there's been an obvious lack of fish in the trophy area. Not so anymore. And the gravel is full of scuds again. As I moved down, I'd find more schools of stocker rainbows, small and eager to bite. But the larger rainbows were up shallow- sometimes in less than a foot of water. They were cruising for bugs on the bottom and on the surface. I did throw a midge but didn't have much luck. They liked the scud. They kicked the water on about 3 pm and the current started but came up slow and didn't get too high or fast. I stayed on the shallow bank. There was a definite mark or drop in the gravel where the water's edge was when the water was off and that's where the rainbows were holding. Most times, it was where the current was too. I found it easy to drift my scud along this drop and caught fish. I also targeted rainbows up in the very shallow water. These were larger trout. Five times, when I made my presentation and got the bug close to the fish, I saw the fish take it, open its mouth and sucked it in. Set the hook before the indicator moved. Made my afternoon! Did see 2 rainbows that I would say pushed 18 inches and one over 20 in the shallow water. No one bothers these trout, that's one big reason they're over there. Got down to the flat at the Narrows and again saw lots of rainbows.