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Phil Lilley

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  1. I posted on their wall.
  2. Dan- I guess they deleted it off their wall... it's not there.
  3. Dan, how is their page on facebook listed or named?
  4. Didn't know they had a facebook page.... They've been using a chain of officials and they've been keeping us informed. Someone dropped the ball this time. L & H Dock has a lot at stake when water levels change - they're working on a lot of docks on Taney and they should be kept in the loop if no one else and they were not.
  5. Without any warning, the Corp dropped Taneycomo more than 5 feet over night. They shut the flood gates down and reduced generation. Just yesterday, I was wondering what the Corp's plans were and thought about calling someone from the Corp to ask what they were going to do. Table Rock was at 928 feet, a level I thought may trigger a change in flow, and it was. We'll see how the fish react to this. Generation only so the water will be colder. This morning, the water color and clarity is the same here but hopefully it will clear up a bit. I wish the Corp would have gotten the word out about the drop. Parts of our lower dock are sitting up on the bank and the first attempt to get them off this morning failed. L & H Dock will come out and get it off... but they, I guess, have other issues other places where they needed to move docks out before the drop. So, communication continues to be a major flaw for the Corp. Disappointing. But trout fishing is going to be a lot more easier for everyone... in boats and off the docks. Wading below the dam - there will be more areas to fish including above and below the outlets.
  6. I don't like the harsh tone here. All of us know people who have cancer. For most of us, it's someone closely related, could even be one of us. If I called for a day for all the OAF'er to congregate on the Current on June 26th for a day floating and fishing, no tournament, would you guys say the same thing?
  7. Our technicians just got back from checking the water temperatures below Norfork Dam and as of right now they are holding in an acceptable range. Right below the dam the temperature was about 65 degrees Fahrenheit and was 66 degrees at the Bill Ackerman/River Ridge Access. This is slightly higher than they were when I checked them last week (about 63 degrees below the dam). We will be keeping a close eye on the water temperatures with the high air temperatures forecast for this week. When I spoke with the Corps of Engineers last week they indicated that one of the units could be up as early as the first of the month (this week). Getting that one unit would help a lot in keeping the temperatures down. With the ability to release through the turbines at Bull Shoals I do not anticipate as serious of a temperature problem there (at least in the upper section). Our technicians will take a look tomorrow at the water temperatures on Bull Shoals at various points to get an idea of what they are running with the flood releases. I will pass that information on to you once I get it. Also, I have received some calls with concerns about the possible stranding of fish as the Corps is able to close the flood gates. I spoke with the Corps this morning in regards to their plans for ramping back the flood releases. Here was their operation for today “The first change was made at 8 this morning. We went from 2.4' to 2.2'. We will close from 2.2' to 2' at 10 this morning. I have been told that we will be increasing the generation rate at 10 am from 200 to 250 Mw. At 2 pm the gates will be cut to 1.75', then to 1.5 feet at 4pm. That will be held overnight.” They will re-evaluate tomorrow and make necessary changes, but they intend to close them gradually over this week. I believe this reduction was gradual enough to prevent large-scale strandings and I will keep in contact with them regarding further reductions.
  8. Figured out a little trick to getting to the bottom quickly and staying there longer. Drop your line straight down in the water off the boat and give it a bunch of slack- about 15 feet's worth. Your weight will make contact with the bottom pretty quickly and stay there longer. If you throw it out, the current and swirling motion of the current tends to hold the line up and doesn't let your weight stay in contact with the bottom UNLESS you use a TON of weight. Once your rig drifts upstream a ways and you start losing contact with the bottom, reel it in and drop it down again. It worked for me the other day and it would work for you too.
  9. Welcome! Thanks for joining.
  10. Contact: Gopala Borchelt, Executive Director Email: gopala@trlwq.org Phone: 417-739-4100 or cell at 417-230-4116 Due to the high water on Table Rock Lake, there have been many questions as to the quality of the water. Table Rock Lake Water Quality a local non-profit group, has tested the water at various locations during this high water time. Samples were collected in various coves and tested at the Stone County Health Department. Sources of the bacteria include septic systems, many of which have been saturated and may leak untreated wastewater. Other sources of the bacteria are animal wastes such as from geese and wildlife. E. coli can wash with the storm water run-off from livestock areas and pet yards. The good news is that E. coli bacteria do not survive long in open water and in sun light. These are the results found: TRLWQ RECREATIONAL WATER ANALYSIS REPORT Lab # .. .. Collected By .. .. .. .. Sample Location .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. Date Collected .. .. .. .. Date Reported .. .. .. .. .. E-COLI-MPN/100 ML E 38 .. .. TRLWQ .. .. .. .. UU Hwy Old 86 .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. 5/24/2011 .. .. .. .. .. .. .. 5/25/2011 .. .. .. .. .. 209.3 E 52 .. .. TRLWQ .. .. .. .. Baxter Briar Cliff .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. 5/24/2011 .. .. .. .. .. .. .. 5/25/2011 .. .. .. .. .. 47.2 F 15 .. .. TRLWQ .. .. .. .. Indian Pt. Compton Ridge .. .. .. .. .. .. .. 5/24/2011 .. .. .. .. .. .. .. 5/25/2011 .. .. .. .. .. 6.2 E 30 .. .. TRLWQ .. .. .. .. OO Hwy .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .5/24/2011 .. .. .. .. .. .. .. 5/25/2011 .. .. .. .. 11 F 33 .. .. TRLWQ .. .. .. .. W Indian Pt/Crows Nest .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. 5/24/2011 .. .. .. .. .. .. .. 5/25/2011 .. .. .. .. .. 5.2 F 12 .. .. TRLWQ .. .. .. .. Clevinger Cove .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. 5/24/2011 .. .. .. .. .. .. .. 5/25/2011 .. .. .. .. .. 203.31 These results are only a snap-shot of the water at these locations. Recommended E. coli limits by the EPA are 235 organisms per 100 ml of water (235 MPN/100 ML). Samples were taken approximately 10 feet out from shore. (The sites are shown on the attached map.) Again the biggest concern for boaters is the presence of more debris in the water including floating sticks and logs from the shoreline or washed down from rivers and creeks. The coves and river mouths are more likely to have this debris floating which can be difficult to spot while driving your boat. We recommend that if you plan to water-ski or swim, take you usual precautions: wear your life jacket, do not swim with open wounds or cuts and, of course, do not drink the water. Happy Memorial Day weekend and enjoy the water! Tammy Yelden Education Outreach Director Table Rock Lake Water Quality, Inc. PO Box 606 2 Kissee Ave. Kimberling City, MO 65686 Phone: 417-739-4100 Fax: 417-739-9889 Email: tammyyelden@trlwq.org
  11. First pics are of one of our guides, Steve Dickey, and his clients yesterday. These are a couple of the rainbows we caught this evening. Note the red in the one rainbow.
  12. First let me qualify that our water situation here on the White River Chain of Lakes doesn’t compare to what Joplin and other tornado-ravaged communities have endured these past weeks. We pray for those who have lost loved ones as well as possessions, homes and businesses and hope to help sustain the vast outpouring of help coming their way. The past couple of weeks have been quite a roller coaster ride for us. With five days of rain, some days we didn’t know what was going to happen hour-to-hour. Our lake level rose to 724 feet, four foot shy of the record level and releases from a month ago. Each day the water was rising, the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers met with their water management specialists at 9 a.m. and again at 3 p.m. to decide whether to release more water or to wait and see if the flow was adequate for that time. We waited anxiously for word, especially when the water was already high and ready to flood our lowest units again if raised further. The rumors were the worst: We were told at one point that they were considering raising the flow to a record 100,000 cubic feet per second, more than a third more than was released in April. That would have flooded the whole resort. After the meetings, we had a two-hour notice to get ready for more water. Now the flow from Table Rock Dam has been slowed to 20,000 cubic feet per second, which is very manageable for us. The lake is now safe to boat and fish, our ramps are out of the water and we’ve restored electricity and gasoline to the dock. We are renting boats again—actually all were out today. Fishing is pretty good considering the dam is still releasing a great deal of water. Five flood gates and four units are running, so the current is fast. They will release this amount of water from Table Rock until the lake level is down to 928 feet. At that point they will back off the release quite a bit. If they do the same thing as they did back in April, we’ll see only two units running around the clock. I did make a trip up to the dam yesterday after the water dropped from 10 gates to 5. Water temperature varied from 51 to 55 degrees depending on what side of the lake you were on. The water still has a lot of silt in it. It’s a normal green color, but it has a chalky tint to it, versus the clarity Taneycomo is known for. I’ve always said that I loved fishing when the floodgates were opened. The water pouring over the top from Table Rock is chock full of shad, minnows and other nice morsels for our trout. Plus it dumps other types of warm-water fish like white and black bass, crappie and walleye into our lake, which makes catching very interesting. And the constant flow of water benefits the food supply for our trout -- sculpin, scuds and sow bugs. Guests are reporting that the rainbows have been good sized the last two days and hard fighters. The trout we’re catching up close to the dam are aggressive on the take, so there’s no question when you get a hit. The color is white -- white jigs, white shad flies, white or silver crank baits are all working well. Our guides have drifted using medium-to- small floating crank baits like Rebels and Rapalas on a drift rig, getting them close to the bottom. They have also worked the banks with these crank baits as well as white 1/8-ounce jigs. We found white bass, crappie, small mouth and spotted bass along the bank holding in eddies or slower water yesterday and caught them on white jigs. We caught more warm-water species working the bank this way than trout. We did better drifting and working the middle lake on trout, catching mostly rainbows but also a couple of browns. I suggest drifting and using #12 gray scuds, peach egg flies and white San Juan worms from Lookout Island to Fall Creek, staying in the middle of the lake to catch rainbows. Make sure your fly is on the bottom, though. Below Fall Creek, orange and white Gulp power eggs are working the best the last couple of days. Night crawlers have done well, but the eggs are working better. Try the mouth of the creeks for trout, too. Before the water level dropped yesterday, we were sending people down to Cooper Creek access, telling them to hike through the woods to the creek itself and fish there, the closer to the mouth of the creek the better. We saw some nice rainbows caught out of the creek during the few days of extremely high water.
  13. Wow- that's too bad. Where was the boat when it happened? Did the law enforcement say this was common lately? I've never heard of that happening.
  14. http://ozarkanglers.com/tablerock/tr_ramps.pdf
  15. No. Just couldn't get to the docks.
  16. Change!! 4:30 pm They are backing off releases presently until it's down to 40,000 cfs this evening. Starting at 8 am tomorrow, they will lower it to 20,000 cfs and it will be down there by noon. They will run 20,000 cfs 24/7... forever.
  17. Yea- I see where Beaver's level started inching back up.
  18. Looks like they've shut Beaver down last night. Nice if anyone can drive down there and get some pics. I bet it's different.
  19. Chance of rain Saturday. Then no rain all next week. This will give time for all the lakes to drop but only to the point where the Corp will hold them again. Maintain till the lower Mississippi Valley drains out. Can anyone find in the news where there's estimates when this may be?
  20. Leonard- pretending to be a weatherman. Don't quite you day job! Sorry. Had to comment on your prediction.
  21. Yea. Bill said something. Bill does fly. So does the other guys. 3 in a boat is tough for fly fishing but chuck does a great job. So does Bill.
  22. The shoring you're thinking about is upstream about a half mile from this. This si below fall creek where their dock is located. Shot rock is good for shoring up dirt banks if it's done right. The Corp will have good instructions online. But you have to watch what you do up and downstream from the rip rap. Case in point, a house up in Pointe Royale. Both neighbors up and down from him shored their banks with rock. His dirt bank eroded away big time last month during high water. He now has rock on his bank.
  23. I never saw it but we taped it... Last fall? Can't remember for sure. Nice guys and we did catch a lot of trout.
  24. As far as I know it's still on. Weigh in may be tricky sine BP's dock won't be back in place but we'll figure something out.
  25. I'm sorry I reported this, and I won't let it continue.
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