Phil Lilley

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We just figured out how to have 3/4 of the dock back in service in a couple of days. We were looking at a month... Super! Praise God.

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They are dropping the flow from 60,000 cfs to 20,000 cfs this morning here on Taneycomo. They will leave 5 gates running with all 4 units for the duration, UNLESS we get a god amount of rain.

End it guys. Please

Yea- had my tech guy come by and fix it last evening.

Thanks for posting these. Phil

No- not really. I saw the pics of that cove at the boat ramp. Not sure if they'd let you put a boat in there but I bet you could catch some fish- trout and other species. Also good for bank fishing. Not a big area but it's a fishable area- may be the only one.

Woke up thinking about this... the chain of decisions the Corp has to make. Let's do some what-ifs. My days are mixed up in my mind so hopefully I'm right on this - Tuesday evening, the powers-that-be met to decide if they were going to go from 68k to 80k release. Table Rock was just barely, but still, inching up, Beaver was dropping. They decided not to but keep it at 68k release. Backup- earlier in the day, weathermen forecast 4 inches of additional rain for parts of NW Arkansas... not the widespread whole area but still a good amount of rain in a large enough area that would have brought lake levels up. If they believed this would happen and opened the gates at Table Rock to 80 or even 90k cfs - may be even 100k cfs BEFORE the rains came, that would have flooded us completely along with other resorts and houses plus possibly flooded the Landing. If, then, we got the 4 inches, the Corp would be crowned heros for saving the dams and possibly flooding downtown Branson and Rockaway Beach. If we didn't get the rain (which we did not), then they just flooded a bunch of stuff that didn't need to be flooded. It's a balancing act. Sometimes you get it right and sometimes not.

I was wondering about those floods. 745- that's 18 feet higher than right now. That's incredible. I guess this is NOT a hundred year flood after all.

Stump- your comment about lake levels rising for 5 days before generation started isn't quite accurate. Check the chart. Table Rock's level hovered around 915 for quite a while. It started raining on Thursday. They started generating on Friday, not full but they did start. They went to full generation when the level hit 917. In 08, the Corp got alot of criticism because they're stance was not to anticipate heavy rainfall but to react to it, wait till it fell and then adjust. That killed them in 08. I don't think they announced a change of policy but they did and you can tell by looking at what they do now. They do anticipate and react quicker and ealier than they did prior to 08's flood. Now is it quick enough? Probably not in everyone's book and especially when you have the ability to look back - hindsight. Now my neighbor is mad at them because he thinks they should have been able to tell exactly what they were going to run ahead of time and let us know well in advance... My other neighbor is just mad at what the Corp has done to his business. I think the Corp did what it had to do and I don't think they could have improved the timing or adjustments much. Sure they can tweak it and may be do better next time but it's a guessing game for the most part. ONE THING I will say about this flood--- the one time I called and talked to someone at the Table Rock Corp office, he said that they (the Corp) was communicating with the public through the media. NOT GOOD! Those of us on the shores are not listening to the media- not watching TV or listening to the radio. We're out moving docks, shoring up cables, calling guests and dealing with guests at the lodge... In 08, a PERSON from the city or county came around and talked to us personally each time there was a major move in water release. In 11, the first major release we heard about by rumor, the possibility of a huge release we were told in person from a Branson official but he didn't tell everyone on the block. There should be a good chain of communication developed for just water releases- email, texts, phone calls, personal contact. There was a recorded phone call we got about 12 times the first day saying the water was rising but no details and it was the same message over and over. Could have been from the city of Branson, not sure. Now when things got really hairy, both a Branson official from the fire department and one of our county commissioners came down in person to brief us. I think it just took a while to get the chain of communication going. Over all if was good by the local folk.

I thought about that... an image of the 08 event. Glad you saved and posted it. I too have saved it. Thanks

Future rain is the key... Got to understand- there's a big difference in water volume at 933 and 935 feet (08 and 11 levels). It's going to take a while to get back to 930 and that's just the beginning of the drop. I'm sure the ultimate target level at Table Rock is 920.

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They'll hold BS as long as they can and then they'll have to let it go. You can look at the BS chart and rate the rise and probably get pretty close as to when it will fill up, taking in account that the inflow will decrease some next week. Enjoy the low water while you can!

Good posts. I agree with you BtF.

It's incredible that just 90 minutes away, there's fishable... no good! fishable water. Keep talking up the fishing on Stockton. People need to hear good fishing reports on the forum now that so many places are flooded and non fishable. Thanks!

Thanks for posting. I was wondering what the PR access looked like. I bet you anything a person could catch some crappie there at the boat ramp! Seriously! Slide a boat in and fish the cove.

Wish I could post this on both Table Rock and Taneycomo forum but... this will have to do. KY3 even got this wrong. Table Rock Dam's flood gates can open up to 30 feet. I believe but may be wrong but they have them open 5 or 7 feet right now. I'll find out tomorrow. So the 10 gates can move that much more water WITHOUT opening the auxiliary gates. Would they open the auxiliary gates BEFORE opening all 10 gate wide open? NO! Why would they destroy the hatchery and highway needlessly when they still have room to move water through the 10 gates? KY3 reported that IF Table Rock had risen to 938, they would have opened the auxiliary gates. Maybe so... but to rise 2.58 more feet (over 935.42 feet where it crested), it would mean they had NOT opened the 10 gates enough and allowed the lake to rise to that level. The ONLY way that would happen is if someone highjacked the control room, force the lake to rise to 938 and then opened the auxiliary gates, just to see if they worked. The auxiliary gates were ONLY built to protect the earthen dam at Table Rock IF Beaver Dam failed - in my opinion. And I think that's a good reason.

Wanted to bring this to your attention. Brian or Justin haven't been on the forum- Brian since yesterday afternoon and Justin in a few days. If anyone has any word on how their places fared in high water, please let us know.

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Table Rock Lake has crested at 935.47 and is now holding and dropping a bit. They did not have to increase the flow- kept it at 68,000 cfs- that's where it's been since last night. We'll have this flow until Sunday we are told. They want to get Table Rock back down 930 feet. Flood gates will be open I'd say for at least 7-14 days though they will decrease the flow as the lakes drop. We have alot of images and video to process and post. Will take some time. Right now we're starting to search for our stuff... it's here and there in storage and in vehicles. Talked to a city official that said quite a few docks have gone over Powersite Dam. Others are dotted along the bank from Branson to Powersite that have broken away and are lodged, stuck. I don't think, I know, the average Joe has no idea what kind of water we're talking about here. Even those who come by and see it... this is incredible.

Correction on the Fish House. I spoke with with BP and they said the building is held by huge stiff arms and not so much by the pylons. They are worried, though, about another 3 foot rise and the structure binding and bending and structure. We've gotten a little rain this morning as well as south and west of here. We'll see if it pushes us over into releasing more water.

The courteous dock at Bass Pro broke loose late yesterday and drifted into the Fish House. This am it's gone - the c-dock. The Corp at 10 am decided to hold flows where they are for now and wait to see how much rain the area gets this morning. They don't want to increase it to 80,000 cfs if they don't have to. One BIG reason is the Fish House. It's at the top of the pylons- the upright pipes that are in the ground that the place secured with. The floating restaurant rides up and down on the pylons with the water. Problem is it's at the top of the pipe. If it goes higher, the Fish House will be loose and float downstream. This could, IMO, compromise Powersite Dam if it got that far. If it did go, and it very well may, I'd think they could push it up in Bull Creek or somewhere out of the current and secure it. I'm sure they have a plan in place. Pretty incredible stuff... Yea- the media isn't covering this in the bigger cities. We're still getting calls from ppl in St Louis wanting to come down and fish this weekend.

Had to edit TR levels...