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There has been a few around my neck of the woods but nothing worth bragging about....yet.

Been layin low Gavin...couple of 5,6 pounders this winter, nothin to brag about. Didn't fish much. Catchin those 2 at daylight kinda speaks for itself, gotta hunch you know, lol. later

For whatever it's worth I have fished the Current for 40 years. 99% of my bigger fish(6lbs. and up) have always come at daylight. Undisturbed water is almost a must IMO. later

Reminds me when they banned tires from landfills...really didn't have a feasable plan on where to go with em just no more landfills. The result around here has been every sink hole, public access, ditch line, just about everywhere...worn out tires. I do see more hanging on fence posts filled with rock to keep the posts down in low spots, more tire gardening guess you would call it, few more tire swings. Folks got creative with em for a while then started pitching them any and everywhere. Before they outlaw or ban something I wish they would have a solution for the problem it will create. The foam is another prime example of 'What do we do with it now ? Guys out in the sticks were burnin em and the end result is a pile of wire left. I bet the foam is plentiful around LOZ...maybe someone should build some foam condo's...by nature they would be well insulated and water resistant. later on

The newest MDC warmwater hatchery is Lost Valley at Warsaw...it's my understanding that the hatchery is pretty much a total flop. The corp wouldn't let them use Trumans water and the wells at the hatchery are pumped out, underground water table issues, residents wells being affected, numerous problems. If this is the case what was suppose to be such a great warmwater hatchery has ended up literally wasting millions of tax dollars. All fish have their place but IMO smallies are in dire need of help, just based on the decline I've seen over the years. Some streams may be holding their own but the ones I have fished...it's just not the same seems to me. In most rivers the natives are just on their own. IMO if this is indeed the case it's sure a shame. later on

Just speculation but IMO the mdc didn't show much interest because the findings were not their own...who knows. later on

I know the Current like the back of my hand...really haven't spent enouph time on the rest to give an honest comparison. I can say every trip I've taken on the NFOW have produced nice fish...several 20 inchers plus and a few over 25". The Meramec has produced numerous fish in the 20, 22" range...have seen very few from there that would beat 25" but I haven't spent near the time on the water there. Having never fished the Niangua I can't say anything short of a fishermans tale, and I know none of us would ever do such a thing, lol. later on

We all have our opinions depending on what each of us has seen...IMO Brian you are just touching the tip of the iceburg. Those 'In Charge' so to speak of specific waterways do not spend enouph time on what they are supposed to be in charge of...a couple of studies a year, a shocking, task forces, special commitees, public meetings (IMO a total facade), bioligists invaluable input, etc... You said 6 ppm...that's about how much oil it takes to keep a well run Propoganda Machine oiled, lol. All of our opinions come from things we have seen and experienced...this forum shows that each of us have sure seen many different things...on such matters I feel we should just agree to disagree and move on. Getting seriously aggrevated about each others opinions to me just isn't right...I for one don't care what anyone thinks and hope I am viewed the same as long as nobody is too pushy with their opinions. I don't mind anyones opinions as long as they are respectful...I'll be the first to aknowledge there are many things I don't know...have probably forgot more than I ever knew, that darn CRS stuff, lol. Brian, maybe your eyes are seeing through the smoke screen a little...JMO but it is a very nice expensive smoke screen. Our burning desire to control mother nature itself has been destroying natures way of creating natural habitat for many many years. Mankinds attempts to change or control are doing little more than killing what's left of 'Mother Nature', she needs help and in most cases all I see is talk...the direction we are headed is just flat talking everything to death. IMO this is also the real deal. Sorry to get off topic...couldn't resist, lol later on

Wrench, You be the man when it comes to nailing the weight of chubs right on the head. lmao. You know... later on

I agree with the spoon but have to say from what I've seen dropping a live shad down there just might catch one to...or are we considering that a given amoungst those of us that fish bait also. Without a very nice live tank (a shad tank) they have to be one of the fragilest bait fish I've ever messed with. Might be a good topic for another thread...reasons shad are so delicate and take certain tanks, rounded corners, excellent filtration due to an excessive amount of very small filter clogging scales, whatever it may be. Could be something good to discuss. With the diversity on the board maybe we could all put our noggins together and come up with a prototype, outsource it and get filthy rich...YEAH RIGHT !! LATER ON

Same way with shad in lakes... Gulls hitting the water are generally the first indicator. Birds, fish, whatever their food source is they follow it...smarter than us in their world so we follow them, lol. IMO the whites blow the shad and while they are exausting their energy killing and injuring shad the big old hybids often are below or close by to pick up on the injured, parts, whatever is left. I don't feel there are many species of big fish (besides spoonbill and they move constantly and slowly to filter plankton) that wear themslves out chasing small baitfish around. My opinion is that's why muskie take on avereage several hours on the water for a hook up. IMO they feed big and for a short period then sit, digest and watch all the youngins wear theit butts out...then take advantage of the situation if they are hungry. Anyway...another idiots opinion, lol. later on BTW, Happy Turkey Day to all...I used to be married to a big family, you know how that goes (hopefully not, lol) but I must admit I do miss it...more of that change stuff, guess it really is the only 'Constant'.......

The boulders were used for this a few years back at Montauk towards the lower end of the park in marginal flat water to try to create some pockets. I saw this effort with a trac hoe used, it appeared to be a pretty big trac hoe but I don't know much about trac hoe sizes, and it really wouldn't support a very large boulder without tipping the hoe when the arm got extended out...really surprised me, I thought it would have handled larger boulders. Just guessing, half as big as a VW Bug?? somewhere in there. Far as I can tell they have stayed and created some small pockets behind, to the sides and filled gravel above...typical. To create a nice pocket will take a much larger boulder than one would think...don't know how big, but big from what I've seen these do. Getting huge boulders in there would be a challenge...maybe a monster chopper... sounds stupid but a chopper would do the least damage. Maybe one could be rented at one of these equipment rental places, lol. later on

Howdy, We have something in common...we'll be talkin hopefully. I'm one of the worst/best CRS guys on the board...gotta take pride in somethin, lol. later on

Like Wader I always wade light also. I have done everything mentioned...anymore if I need to know a specific length I just cut a piece of nylon string and burn the ends to avoid it fraying. In your pocket, tied on a vest, whatever works best for ya...I always cut it about an half an inch too long for good measure. I don't know for a fact but have heard some say the stick on tapes may shrink a little after being exposed to the elements...guess I've never checked one to see. My dad used to lay them on the cross member of the old wooden canoe we had and mark them with his knife and measure them later. I have told this before but the longest smallie mark was back in the early 60s I'd say...he and the local cons. agent were fishing the Piney and they caught 2 huge ones, they marked them both...1 mark was 24" and the other 26". That's huge smallies, always have wondered what they would have weighed. The old canoe is in a local antique shop and still has the marks. The history behind that old canoe is a neat story in itself. later on

That's a good pic, deer porn, lol. Don't know what that doe is thinking...she may want to get shot, but then again that may be her brother and father, who knows, lol. later on

You got it Eric, The memory out weighs everything else...picture or not. Does size matter ?...guess it depends on what's trying to be sold, lol. later on

I'm nobody but do think it's a cryin shame that any of us should have to worry about these type things...we have become such a sue happy society. Some seem to have to blame somebody/something even if whatever has happened is their own fault. It all makes little sense to me...I kinda think 'sense' is the catch word, doesn't seem to be much of that goin around these days...not being arrogant here either, I'm just as dumb as the next guy, lol. later on

Laker, I was in high school in 71 and can remember a big one being caught somewhere on a french fry...you just jogged my old memory a bit. Once in a while if the CRS lets up and something kick starts my old noggin hard enouph I seem to remember a couple of things now and then, lol. I had forgotten but do remember the french fry fish...maybe some of you fly guys could tie a "French Fly", lol. later on

Good points...I've always wondered. I guess if it's chunked full of 10 plus that's still one heck of a fishery. I would settle for fish in that range, be an absolute idiot not to, lol. To me anything above 5 is nice...5 to 10 is big and anything above that, well...that's a treat, surprise, lucky, whatever you want to call it. There could always be a 40 - 50 lb. freak in there somewhere. Did you weigh that dead one Phil if it didn't appear to be dead too long...44" is huge !!. Would like to see that pic. What's the largest bow that has come from Taney if anyone knows off hand ? later on

It's a nice fish regardless. Appears to be a typical pond bass, all head. Most times that's attributed to a food shortage but who knows...aint no 2 of us built just alike either. Bet you were glad you made that last cast. later

I don't know Taney well at all myself...to you all that fish Taney often how many huge browns like that do you think there are in the lake ? I've seen how many big ones a small river like the Current can hold and wonder just how many actually are in Taney. Stricktly a guess on my part but I would say there are hundreds of fish that size in that lake and as goes along with fishing you never know when, where and on what one will be caught. Like I said I'm just curious as to how many you all that fish it frequently think survive to grow to that size in the lake...seems there would be several that reach that size. I can see where a 10 lb. plus brown could grow at an amazing rate when the dept. feeds them with stockers...when they stock I bet the feeding frenzy is on considering the big browns are the apex predator in that body of water. There are probably many record breaking fish, I can't even imagine. From what little I have been on Taney it appears to me there is not much wade fishable water with the exception of directly below the dam when they are releasing the right amount of water. I'm just wondering what you regulars think...the MDC's shocking I don't think draws much of a real estimate and myself don't think shocking is healthy for the fish at all, having mixed feeling from seeing the damage often incurred after shocking. Creel surveys are a useful tool but I feel the ones who fish it on a regular basis have the best opinions. Anyway, just curious...there could be 5 or 500 for all I know...I really have no idea but I bet there are several, that's why I'm asking you alls opinion. Phil, over the years how many 10 lb. plus fish have been caught that you know of or have you kept track ? Thanks for any opinions...guess I'm just the curious sort. later on

Beautiful fish... Now that's what were lookin for...glad to see that. Sure something to think about. later

I'd be up for whatever sometime...something to look down the road at. later on

I know Cricket commented the other day about his gratitude to members on here. I would like to mirror his comments, having met a few of you is great...just the time I spend reading comments and varied opinions, techniques, sometimes real varied, lol...I enjoy this site and appreciate a place to ramble on sometimes. It's a good site with good people and I feel none of us are too old to learn. This site is well managed and a wealth of information, very handy. thanks