MoCarp

agreed

I have flyfishers friends that seek for carp in your area this is their FB page its a closed group so you will need to join to read I am sure they can hook you up... like I said before way more of us than is known 😉...also one of the most knowledgable is Chris Fowler out of Austin, Texas does a fair bit of guide work prob put people on some reds near corpus or some Guadalupe bass near Austin as well, Chris is a well know fly angler /Yak fisherman, some of you fly heads might recognize him https://www.facebook.com/groups/765778830281009/ <--stl fly/carp

A great article from a StLouis fly fishing for carp page reposted from Hatch Magazine https://www.hatchmag.com/articles/dont-try-trout-fish-carp/7711447

though this proposal failed, the Bfing of muskies is blamed on mistaken fish ID, and the Fish & Wildlife in that state is developing signage to combat 'mistakes" if and when the shot Muskies keep showing up you can count on stricter measures. its an issue...earlier this year a double digit LMB was shot in Oklahoma, I am trying to locate the pic...the issue is a handful of people can greatly impact a fishery limiting this style of harvest in some waters is a viable fisheries management tool.

I give you that , I have see people use the towel thing and wonder how many fish croak, squeeze the poop out of them ETC without being fish handling Nazis we should educate our fellow anglers, from bass to panfish better handling is in order the way carp feed and the typical bolt/hair rig you just don't see deeply hooked fish almost always hooked in the bottom lip, as far as Muskies, there was a great spat about them in MN this year, so many blame them for bad walleye or pan fishing, when the biggest reason is too many anglers taking home too many fish dinners..at one time they blamed walleyes and tiger muskies/pike for declining crappie fishing in stockton...IMHO the fishing was better when we had pike/tiger muskies in stockton...common carp sure ran bigger and we saw less of those 2# gizzard shad a bit off topic but MN is doing a long term study on sunfish... dropping the bag limits, and a 8" or bigger length limit on some waters... early results are promising (Trophy panfish are a fav of mine)

sometimes the shot fish survive..I keep waiting for the 1st 20# plus brown to show up shot/floating on Taney, watch the outrage then....I get people all the time on here sending me info of fish caught that had been shot or seeing game fish shot while they are fishing...much less the bazillion fish dumped on the side of the road or boat ramps

not just Muskies ether

sometimes the offenders get busted, its bad enough some states are having calls by muskie groups to ban Bfing on some muskie waters

perhaps its stabbers and booze?

easy ban bFing at night on muskie waters...personally I'd like to see C&R on all smallmouth and ban gigging on select Ozark streams as far as on post....(you should know my posts set up planned responses 😉) its like setting up the hitter with fast balls out of the strike zone then tossing a change up

wow perhaps they can swim with the bears at the zoo next

Seems muskies are a common target for Bfers bet you'll see more bannings

anyone in Missouri old enough will remember that year, my brother and I spoke the other day of the cattle still rotting in the tree tops on a stream we used to fish months after the flood...the quality is poor on this recording but still informative

in the past the The Archery Trade Association (ATA) says Pneumatic Arrow-Shooting Devices are not "archery" equipment. The airbow is a precharged pneumatic device utilizing 3000-psi compressed air to launch a carbon fiber arrow up to eight times on a single charge -- at purported velocities of 450 feet-per-second. Crossman Corporation's Benjamin Pioneer Airbow is one of these, is the compound bow going the way of the longbow? some states are making this type of hunting legal, yet using a speargun to deer hunt was a no-no...I would love to get feed back from the hard core OAF archers on this issue

everyone didn't expect BP to carry on with Cabelas did they? as time goes on and contractual obligations of Cabelas are met..it will be all BP, less brands, less choice, less competition. What does that mean for the sportsman consumer? Cabelas was dropping in value and sales had been falling, the big player against any brinks and mortar be it bass pro or Walmart is the big A word Amazon. last time I checked ammo and gun sales where down WAY down since the election, advertising for shooting goods has plummeted, the ROI isn't there... Obama and his grab your gun cronies are now out of power and the courts are swinging back to the right, BP will keep what parts of Cabelas is profitable and chitcan the rest, like any well run business should...regardless how we feel. if they don't, they will go they way of K-mart, Howard Johnson, and blockbuster, I am not a big fan of bass pro's love affair with Bfing but they have done a lot for our area...it remains to be seen how this expensive merger will play out with BP

just for the record the federal government "owns" the airspace over your head and can control it, you have no more rights than if your on the street and someone vids you on with their iPhone.... slap the iPhone out of their hand and you will be in the wrong, now if you video someone buck naked where they have an "expectation" (Like your back yard) of privacy thats different but VERY hard to pursue in court

I find it interesting no mention of consumed venison or about the uptick in cases, IMHO I do not think we have even looked at it much yet and it will take more time to accumulate data...autopsy isn't something that is generally done even with dementia patients, never heard the term Early Onset Dementia until the 2000s and more data is correlated we won't see patterns, I remember all the while speculations in early HIV and until infected people started giving blood in efforts to infect people with less risky life styles...public went nuts for answers when people caught it from blood transfusions and people started to get there personal blood drawn because they blood banks good not be trusted and no reliable test existed at that time....

just because we have no record doesn't mean its not out there, misidentifying something happens in medicine and has for a very long time, I have heard that some cases of alzheimer's may and I say MAY have been attributed to reutzfeldt-Jakob disease....as far as numbers Nationally, there also has been an increase in cases of Creutzfeldt-Jakob. In 2002, there were 260 cases, compared with 481 in 2015, an 85% increase, according to data from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. so something is going on or is it we are now looking for it? like I said...its like playing Russian roulette....

Like I said before go for it pop out a few books, seems he's getting paid to do so and I am sure he would have stopped at one id he made no $ at it...now many things, I don't own or have read ANY of his books and I must admit have read just a handful of his newspaper musings, I would suspect most people do take in all the information and develop their own views of the subject, its just that some get pretty salty when they see sales drop off at the local archery shop because of the CWD scare and call the local paper saying "they will not buy any ads if they keep printing LDs columns" I can assure you that writing, english and medicine immunology are a BIG part of a university education...hell they made me take a butt load of english and writing intensive classes. one of the poetry classes has stuck with me...lol every time we see an egg recall or tainted lettuce, or some one getting sick eating at Chipotle...we see a knee jerk response to all eggs, lettuce and chipotles you see people not spend $.... I think what he is insinuating is an agenda by those with a $ motivation to keep the CWD threat less than it is, I would love to flop out a big deer steak in front of the CWD critics and see how many pass on eating it!

go for it....looks like he's been making a living being an author and writer for a few decades now as a person who has actually worked for a newspaper, I never knew anyone that "fact checked" op-eds....but LD isn't the only one Ann Landers got a pass as well I also went to University to be in wildlife management, and I can't speak for LD...but I never sent a single resume to any state agency in my life... ever! fell into sales/advertising and never looked back, sometimes life presents opportunity and plans change...yet the education never leaves you. concerned so much to want to silence him? if he is so full of BS why should it matter? or is his argument plausible enough to make people consider the seriousness of the claims? having friends across the pond the mad cow scare caused a huge financial hit on the EU beef industry, and that is a daily food item...venison isn't for most people and I am not willing to take the chance...others that hunt deer tell me they are not hunting this year...i I wonder if the donated venison burger poundage is up?...some people will still deer hunt with no intention of eating what they shoot, ether donating the meat to a food bank or dumping it roadside, I would suspect wanton waste violations might be up as well...be interesting to see those numbers as well as deer hunting industry sales numbers. In the end the biggest people concerned about their jobs, and rightfully so are people who's livelihood depends on the hunting of deer/moose/elk.

looks like he has 7 books titles for sale on amazon (see below) pretty sure he's a professional writer that has street cred and he has a degree in wildlife management ...might not agree with all he says, but many are listening those are old magazine advertisements...lol

fishinwrench I think all of us would agree reasonable oversight is a good thing

that is the world we live in today, I remember people having a run away when 4 kids died from eating tainted food from a jack-in -the box back in 93...but its a wake up call....is CWD a killer in people? its a no proven cases yet....YET...I suspect so few cases have been looked into we don't know, so unless we feed prion venison to people to find out..something LD hints at with his slam at giving save the harvest venison to food banks. The animal rights and IMHO Vegan militants are all over pushing agendas, as is their right, its our right to process the information and develop our own opinion...unfortunately sometimes that make people go swimming with the polar bears at the zoo and get killed or get snake bit, saw a video of a person letting a poor bobcat out of a trap, and got tore the hell up!..little did he know that bob cat was killing and eating the neighborhood pets! I push my own pro carp agenda with the rest of my fellow carp anglers, and have had more than a few attempts at silencing the message because some don't want what MAY happen... the potential to crush a lucrative industry (deer hunting) with a "CWD will kill you" epitaph is something state wildlife managers and deer hunting industry people are scrambling to fix, if you don't think so try taking deer products from Missouri in to Tenn!!!!