MoCarp

sorry dude she's been gone 27 years..been on my own since I was 19... mmmmm its Sunday? Your assuming "everyone" will follow you, or you are the cool kid.....sometimes people lead, and create the new....some people are pioneers and other just get in line and follow the crowd...sorry you feel annoyed...with fishing season slowing perhaps you will get some down time..invent that 2 speed variable prop with a 3 speed lower unit that makes a 75 hp outboard run like a 250......

I have a wide interest in different subjects like ancient metallurgy (Orichalcum)....ancient languages (Sumerian/ancient hebrew)...here is some rag paper I am making some map copies to frame.......lots of cool stuff to see and learn went someone takes the time to try

I still do other fishing, wading streams....chunking stick baits for browns...ultra lite fishing for huge bluegills and redears..... God that would suck....

no the dude that owned the land on both sides of shoal creek as it hit the KS line, he tossed a hissy when people started floating from Joplin to Schermerhorn Park... few years back..ended up in court....that whole area is so grown up now..and in the 70's you rarely saw anyone fish other than the falls...we lived in a house on the biggest rapid in the state...just down from the old quarry bridge thats no longer there...great place to wade fish and grow up....or was....that riffle had hellbenders and many odd minnows...I might need to micro fish it sometime just to see if some of the many species are still there...running around the area exploring the glades and critters that lived there... Missouri tarantulas even a scorpion, shrews... they cut a great deal of timber out on the west side of the creek..last few big floods have ripped that bank wide....doubling the width of the stream....why they felt the need to cut the stream side timber Ill never know....

If the trout in Taney are toxic...lots of people gonna be salty

isn't the old bastid dead now that started all that poop?

the po po there guarding the barbwire across the creek?

Carp do not always feed on the bottom, or in muck...ozark lakes have more rocks way less muck.... to catch the bigs in a lake like TR if you looking for muck your not going to catch as many..not enough chow...and below the thermocline even less...carp often will feed in mid layers on emerging insect larva and pods of things like daphnia...they also feed on the surface often, we use something called a zig rig...anyone thats been under a light at night in summer know just how many bugs are about, commons don't eat weeds..thats the grass carp...when commons search for larva and other things that can disturb plants, usually in more eutrophic natural lakes that are very shallow and don't stratify Carp are omnivores I just talked to a guy in Michigan, and he swears that carp eat gobies like pop corn....considering that gobies and zebras are from their home ranges it stands to reason why they may feed on them....I think one possibility the carp in Taney get big is munching on dead stockers & fish guts/heads etc...fishing for them all these years I think they are like cows, they get tired of eating the same food and will lean over to eat stuff in the roadside ditch (so to speak)...in fall acorns and all sorts of seeds/fruits end up in the water...any place that current can pile up this detritus thats where you can find carp...chumming up the spot will keep them coming back checking for more at least till the water gets below 50 they feed more sporadically..I have seen them breach on Stockton and TR in Jan.....thats a good way to find a spot... watch for one to breach...put a bait in that general direction they seem to be going.... binoculars are a nice bit of kit to use...TR is a tough place..to catch well you need to get there heads down on bottom...bottom not so deep its still above any thermocline...chum that has little bits that break and pop up are good as is some oils that will float up slowly telling them foods here!..Truman and LOZ much easier..find a flat chum and they will come....

yes 8-1/2.....took me another 8 months to walk more than 10 steps........of all things separated my left hip.....let me tell you i'd rather been shot.... in a nut shell if its a pred species... they are many fold more toxic than a carp or buff..... shad.. bighead or silver... because they eat the fish that accumulate any contaminants...and say a bass eats a shad 3 years old...that bass gets a 3 year dose in one meal.....more meals more contaminants...... if the zebras are contaminated in their short life spans then over time it would accumulate but at lower levels....so 10# carp prob good...30# not a chance.... but the bass eating baby carp and gobies...would still be more toxic..in the same water......prob the worst thing would be a big blue cat.... eating a fish dinner 4 outa 7 days makes your cancer risk go up. at least in those most contaminanted waters... we are blessed to have some pretty clean water in our areas...but like rolling dice, I'd tell anyone eat more anti oxidants in your diet.....can't hurt.....

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I have been losing weight slow but steady since my 8 month stay in hospital....and talk about smoked fish on crackers makes me hungry.....not on a diet as much as life style changes.... carp and trout are a bit to rich...I usually go walleye or crappie cooked with lemon in a foil pouch backed in the oven (or on the grill)

The rule in Texas is one fish over 33" prepay by any method kill as many as you want under that...in CT its one fish over 30" and 5 per day...and no kill tourneys on fish 30" and over...I whole hardly encourage selective harvest on common carp prepared correctly they are excellent eating not true..I think certain areas should be off limits to discourage poaching or disrupting spawns...like in walleye areas in spring or trophy/wintering holes of ozark streams.....as far as fair as I practice my fishing it has zero effect on your fun...yet if you have UNLIMITED Bfing in places I fish or other like me who fish..you have the ability to take away my sport how is that fair? in effect should you be able to shoot gamefish? harvest is harvest isn't it? I reference the EU because its an economic boon.....and continues to grow.. me anti? ROLMAO....I am about wise use of a fish resource...a fish dinner every now and then is fine...but IMHO it should be the exception rather than there rule There are about 3 places in the state of Missouri that would benefit from trophy carp regs...the CT model of one fish over 30" and five per day and no- kill on big fish for tourneys would work, if the sampling warranted more harvest you change it....you could still have your fun with zero issues....works for trout..it would work for carp If you have not noticed that has been going on in hunting lands for a while now..."better" means you pay more $...when will it happen in fishing? IDK.... I could see a lake property owner building dedicated carp swims and charging people to fishing camping on them They do that in other states...perhaps I would rather do that for LMB in places the have big heads and skinny bodies....I think small carp are great eating...personally smoked then flaked and mixed with mayo on crackers is fricking awesome....and we do need more quality bank access if I was chasing changes that would be higher on the agenda....but as usual private sector gets things done..... thats the kicker...20# carp are not any more common than 8# LMB on TR...are they there absolutely! but far from common

I own a reuben heaton that was certified in TX..I need to re cert it in Missouri and yeah..I make fish look small 6-4 and way to fat..but getting smaller...every day....

old?...ok heres some fresh like this fall..and a nice bass that hit a boilie..all from friends this fall right here in the white river chain O lakes....have plenty more just these are "better" fish...don't catch 30# every day any more than you catch 10# bass every day

Nah its BS....still not disclosing any place that gets stab fished....have a few good spots that you are not allowed to stab fish there...so....all these fish were taken and released within 2 hrs driving circle of Springfield

So your saying that a person with a 10a lake might make some coin if he makes it a carp lake.....I'd pay to have a crack at an 80#er Taney has some of the best big carp fishing in the state...... so its cool with you if they study that? before you said its a waste of time and $ ?...perhaps ACS can fund the study...because something is eating YOY carp and it isn't sparrows... just the other day saw where the state of California has stopped stocking trout in some of the lakes that had been producing truly giant LMB (f)....its not a big jump the same can't happen with carp reductions here or in states like Alabama ( Eufaula) and Texas...especially considering how much more nutritious (high lipid count) common carp are than even rainbow trout as forage that means they are naturalized and any impact they have had has been going on for 140 years....if you want to go the not native thing...then that means crap canning browns-rainbows-and stripers--even muskies....so you can't play that card...the it goes to economics-check---then goes to who wants to fish for them--check--whats left? of if you kill off he carp it makes more room for bass....only way that works is if the carrying capacity of say TR was at max...even then bass won't be feeding on the acorns washing in the lake ATM...like I said killing off the deer and rabbits will not make more wolves and foxes..not BS simple niche biology Interesting on one hand letting me ramble is hurting my "cause" which is to encourage others to fish for commons and enjoy all they have to offer...yet as you say "but if you're able to convince a significant number of anglers"..so I must not be hurting my "cause"....so perhaps in 2018 Ill post up a social we are having and introduce you to new euro-carpers

what BS? I would not know to what % that paying to fish counts to that number..I already know of places here that have been build to what is seen in the UK..they have been stocked and the fish with take 4-5 years to develop....if thats the way it happens here will depend on a lot of factors...only time will tell....but ether way it will be a significant number spent wasn't it you that said this on the Nebraska forum? or was it the Iowa Forum..no it was the bow-fishing forum? if it wasn't you it was someone with your same mentality well its easy to say something is BS when you are not specific I said 100s of 1000s of pounds of carp are taken out of formally great carp fishing spots I post a link where 287k was taken in one weekend yet thats BS?...or that YOY carp are a more nutritious food as a prey item than rainbow trout...(meaning fish get fat eating them) long before OAF was around I posted a pic of a local carp spot that I had chummed up..low and behold...a empty can of sweet corn left right where I sat...and 3 dead carp "hucked" on the bank rotting with flies you can call BS all you want..but it makes you uncomfortable to be wrong on old carp myths...when they slammed the gates shut on on Table rock lake for the 1st time carp swam in the white river..been there 140 years...fishing was pretty good and still is good...the fact that some places dump their poop water in TR or the hundreds of septic tanks now flow into TR now VS when the lake was 1st impounded..makes its the carps fault water quality has degraded? or that the huge boat wake issues cause bank erosion? these are issues that most lakes use to justify killing off the carp... the renovation industry is just that a self fulfilling..if you read the Nebraska forum you saw where they killed off the 3 best ranked lake in the state...and some got pissed over it...I link all my claims and observations... or that Przemek Bajer Phd one of the head researchers on common carp controls at the University of Minnesota, started a side company that does carp removals for the multitude of natural lakes in the upper midwest...no need for a foil hat....no BS... EXACTLY so lets drop the pretense and drop the tail gate and see who's dog trees 1st......

There couple of catches one carp one buff both caught right here in the Ozarks.the last in my set up....I need to get some more camo buckets...bait? hemp flavored chick peas dyed black with food color..why? they look like big snails fish love them..the ball of chum is what brings them in.....all my own lil hands.

then why the hate on carp or better carp fishing for those of us that do? its clear that having great trophy carp fishing can go hand in hand with great "game" fishing...alligator gar almost wiped out by old myths and false accusations on eating all the game fish etc....I have posted thread after thread debunking old carp myths....only waters with too many common carp are waters damaged by source point solution and that have baby carp eaters over harvested ....

they are there, you just don't notice them....and thats for good reason..the LAST thing you want to do is show your lumping grounds to get shot up on a normal trip on a white river chain lake... I usually land 15-20 fish from 8# to mid to upper teens, sometimes catch a 20 or so, my largest is a 36..only in select waters here in the states and the EU do you see such pressured fish that require such long waits. typically I use a boilie on one of 3 rods, then a single plastic pop up corn on a method/PVA...and some boiled feed corn on another....the alarms lets me relax and no need to stand vigilant for a hook set..bolt rigs the fish are already hooked.... when I first went to a CAG social at fellows lake in Springfield oh so many years ago, I thought just as you did....I got one bite...while the euro gear guys landed fish after fish after fish....a guy CAN catch bass in a 10hp powerd 14' jon boat, chunking beetle spins on a zebco 33, but in a tourney he doesn't have the tools to be competitive....sad to say the jon boat basser has more of a chance than you do with wheaties dough balls in most cases... small 5-6# carp are far easier to fool and land than their bigger brethren....once a fish hits about 20# they have avoided being shot at...ate....landed.....for about 8 years or so....and at 20# plus they have the power to shell the gear most people have to land them......some days just like with any fishing everything works..but to catch big fish of any kind consistently you need to know your stuff...most people think a 8# carp is a 20#er....at 26-28 inches will weigh about 8-10 pounds....its hard to go back to bass fishing after even a small carp rips off 2-3 long runs and takes 10 minutes to land..and since the best fishing is the night bite from the end of July to the 1st of Sept....when other fishing is slower it fills a nice void in the fishing calendar. one of these days you just need to see it and experience it to understand, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifvse0L_mmg <--sexy women with carp

then STOP clicking and hit the ignore.....then the only people "here" will be the converts that thank me for posting.....and as long as people bully any carp posters..they bolt....but not before the HMU....I even got a freebee pack from a bait company in the UK that I am sending samples out to a couple of OAF readers to sample Ill post their results for you when I get them yeah they pay to fish, especially carp....they even must pay a TV license there, perhaps thats why so many more people there, than here, go fishing? (per capita)

I told the person in the CT River Video Iain Sorrel the above statement he responded; below are some Brits on the same questions In the end the reality that carp fishing stands on its own merit..against other forms of fishing and more than holds its own....the big business that is euro-angling for common carp..will be that and more in the US.. haters will hate...deniers with keep hoping its not true or isn't happening...... wrench " your crusade is having a backward effect" sorry but people like you were always going to toss a carp into the bushes or stomp one into the mud thats if you could ever ever land one, more like shoot one spotlighted like a deer helpless in a cornfield at night.. I still get 5 people contact me on learning more about carp angling, for every one nasty insulting post....I can live with that... I said I would share new pro carp regulations as they happened....there will be more I am blessed to know some of the most professional people I have ever met in carp angling.....