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Everyone is invited to attend the inaugural fundraising banquet for the chapter we are starting in South Central Missouri. Price is $45 per person or $65 for couples. Dinner and a year QDMA membership with a subscription to Quality Whitetails included. Doors open at 5:30pm at the Ann Short Turner community center in Mansfield. If you are interested in attending contact: Adam Keith (417)543-4486 Chad Keith (417)543-0724. Or just message me here. There will be the normal auctions, gun and donation raffles, as well as habitat seminars by Adam Keith and Matt Dye of Land and Legacy, as well as at least one MDC presenter.

I'm not sure i agree. Wouldn't you think the better they can see, the better they can identify.

Phil we would have had that boat from texas from both sides if we could have used those darts. I was the guy in the little plastic two man above the tin whistles. We went over to swan not long after you left and there were some people right in the mouth catching the occasional fish, but nobody was really tearing them up. I think i am going back this evening too with waders but I am not sure where I am going.

I was at the stump hole yesterday and from the time i got there till about 11 there was a steady stream of boats putting in. I could see over 20 boats the whole morning, and there were far from the same ones the whole time. I ended up probably catching 15 at least but over half went back in to the water. I heard there were over 100 boats from tecumseh to liner which i wouldn't doubt one bit. This is really just the early run where they run up and down never staying in the same spot, and just scattering all over. I havent heard of anyone catching many walleye either. I have heard the same report about a limit of whites caught above tecumseh, which it sounds like everyone in southwest missouri heard. I think it was just a case of the muddier water from the rain making them make a small run and then coming back down.

Now Jeremy, you know if the wind gets up there too much more than that you are getting up into the walleye whitecap range and not just chop.

I didn't have time to spend search the old posts looking for it. I was just wondering if someone like Al or anyone else could tell me who you are supposed to call about stream disturbances, such as dozing in a streambed. I was told by a friend of some on the gasconade and i wanted to call and see if it was approved, and if not notify someone of it. I remember a post a while back about it because I had also seen some then on Bryant creek and never got around to calling. Anyway thanks for the help.

Hey you might want to call the Forest service office about Big Bay, and make sure you can camp there. At one time it was flooded and i thought like the day use part was all that was out of the water.

I know a guy who carried a bucket half full of rocks for times like those.

Everyone has their own money making scheme on our creeks and rivers no matter the detrimental effects on them. From people mining gravel like that, people cutting all the trees along the banks just to get a few more blades of grass so their cows can eat and erode a bank, or the people who rent 5 million canoes to drunks throwing tons of beercans in the river. Just for a few more dollars in their pockets. Money...the downfall to everything good in life.

That's a nice idea Phil, but i figure the same people who are calling demanding info would just start writing Bill letters demanding info. Thats just the way those kind of people are. They want everything handed to them.

Yeah I will admit to eating a slick more than once while sitting on a lake shore walleye fishing. Jeremy you know as well as i do how boring walleye fishing can be. I can honestly tell you that im pretty sure there is no good way to cook a slick. I dont know the old timers in the depression did it. We fried them in various things, cooked them scaled layed on a pop can, boiled in a can of water, and they were absolutely disgusting every time. But hey it had more to do with peer pressure than anything, and then once we had done it one time everytime we went and got bored the subject came up again.

Speaking of Grabbing, boys its been a rough year for it. The only people i know of that have been are the people who dont white bass fish or do anything else, and are desperate for something to do. There will be fish everywhere if we can ever get a break in the rain for more than a couple days. This may be one of those years that you can look back and tell your grandkids "Well that one year back in 2008 we grabbed suckers all the way up at ____________." I'm sure there will be a bunch of places to insert there.

Phil what was Jeremy drinking while you were fishing. haha his hats all crooked and his eyes are crazy. Just having a little fun with Jeremy. My brother was one of the guys on the bank up there, that Jeremy talked to. He ended up with 9 i think he kept 7. He said he was catching them on a lure like jeremy and then had one break his line when he got it on the bank and it flipped back in the water and he couldn't find another lure they liked quite like that one. What do you think the water will be like tomorrow, I was kind of thinking about going.

I agree with you Al with the Trophy Smallmouth areas. I get so frustrated that do so much for a stinkin trout and will not try anything like that with the smallmouth. I mean looking at Missouri wouldn't you consider the smallmouth the pride and joy of our creeks. I mean what is going to hurt to even restrict gigging on just the already established trophy smallmouth areas, just to try it out and see if it helps the smallmouth. I love to gig but there is plenty of area to gig, so that the few trophy areas being closed wouldn't hurt the gigging. I still dont understand the technology debate. I mean the people who intentionally gig sport fish are going to do it weather they have all the technology in the world or a wooden raft and a sharpened stick. I would think the better technology would just help reduce the unintentional killing.

Haha me too. Thanks for stating your opinion Al. I think from seeing your posts we have a lot of common opinions on the creeks.

Haha the best way to cook them is to find a good piece of bark along the creek before you go home. Then lay the gutted trout out on the bark over a fire and season however you would like. Then wait until trout is thoroughly cooked and throw the trout away and eat the bark. I heard that one a long time ago and absolutely loved it.

Yeah kind of like when they were saying taneycomo was flooded and they were showing shadow rock pictures. It was a little before that when my mom was saying that norfork was the end lake in the chain and that thats why it was flooding and i had to get a map out and show her that bull shoals didnt flow into norfork lake but that was the way she understood them on the 6 oclock news. the way they were talking i guess it sounded like all the water was going into norfork.

id think twice before doing dances to stop the rain. Before you know it it will work and it will be november and we havent had a drop of rain since april and everyone will be complaining about the lack of rain. I would a whole lot rather have a surplus than a lack of.

Yeah I have one of those too, and they work great if you are wanting to use the minnows that day. It seems to me though that pulling them out of the net and having them stuck in it some, and all the handling stresses them and removes a lot of the slime and they don't live as long. I have a washer tub tank in a pond and trap enough for a couple of trips in the winter and I think they live a lot longer after being trapped because they arent stressed quite as bad. But thats just my opinion on it.

Hey if you go look in the creeks for slicks, and find some, the way I get mine is those wire minnow traps. I have the best luck finding holes that have them, and also have some current. Then bait your trap with bread or dogfood or both. the bread seems to work well it just doesnt last long in the current, the dogfood has a lot of oil on it that draws them and stays in the trap better, but the bread breaking up in the water seems to lure them too , so i use both at the same time. Then take your trap with a string on it, and what you want to do is set it so that the trap is parallel with the current and you have one opening facing upstream and one downstream. I really think that is my key to trapping them. It seems like they really ball up behind the trap not only to eat but to get out of the current and then they have to go into the trap to eat.

Thanx Phil i was hoping you would get to the bottom of it. The guy told me something along the lines of the 3" molds sold so they are only making 2", but the other company will be making them they dont know if they will have the same colors though.

Has anyone heard that the bobby garland swimming minnow molds have sold again, and that it may be a little tough to get the same size we are used to buying at all the bait shops?

Ok so you are saying it is ok for this landowner to have this then. What is to say that other wealthy landowners around the state decide they are going to go to the right people with the right amount of money and get their section of stream closed off. And the circle keeps going round and round until us in missouri end up like all these other states you talking about, having whole streams closed off and fenced off. I mean would your attitude be different if this were your favorite stream to fish.

Ok im glad somebody mentioned him because i just heard this again the other day. bob plasters land over on the osage fork of the gasconade. everyone konws it as twin bridges or the empire ranch or now evergreen. someone told me the other day that it was the only creek in the state that had it written in law that he owned even the land under the water like out west. I have floated it since he has owned it and i konw of others who have. but i have never heard a for sure thing. Someone like Al or someone else who knows a lot about this can you enlighten us on this. and if it takes a suit to open it who wants to volunteer.

It would seem to me like if MDC is making you this mad you would be smart enough to do something besides fuss on a fishing report forum. You sure are getting a whole lot done there. I have a whole lot of complaints about the way they do things too. But they do a lot of things right too. I mean to be honest i am trying to get a job with them or something along those lines and they do a lot of dumb stuff that makes me mad. But here i am with a college degree barely making enough to pay my gas and live a normal life, while there are tons of people making a lot better living than me doing nothing but popping out a kid a year and living on the government. There are a whole lot worse uses of our tax money than what MDC uses their small chunk for. You are wanting to konw what land they purchase go on the MDC website and find the commission meeting notes and they state for the last year every parcel of land added whether it be via donation or purchase. And sorry but thats freaking crazy to expect your daily limits to go up because they make more money. As far as im concerned they could totally do away with trout but do i get on a website and endlessly complain. ummm no. go ahead and bash me all you want but you just fit the mold of what a guy told me not long ago about managing the conservation lands. He said its harder to get anything done because everybody has a computer now and thinks they know everything about everything. They want to know why you do anything whether it be something as small as moving one small rock or as big as a whole timber stand improvement, and have their imput on it. If you had to wait for everyone in the state to put their imput on anything you would never get anything done. He said no matter what, everyone thinks they are smarter than you are and they tell you everything you do wrong, you just have to keep doing what you know is the right way to do things because for every vocal person that is wrong there are many others who enjoy what you have done.