ok guys, looks like we have the intrest. and thank you ZACK for the support!! ...rather than sending IM'S OR E-MAILS i would like to show the process here out in the open if you don't mind so all can see how this works. (if you don't mind.) first what kind of canoe are you paddling now? tandem or solo.? next, what types of water do you paddle.. lake..slow moving.. or fast rushing water.(this helps me understand how to put the groups together) next question would be, what do you want to learn.. paddle strokes ..boat control.. safety on the water..most people can make a canoe move. but just make it down stream with the shear luck of the river gods.. other feel they have skills,just not sure on where and how to put them in action... next, do you understand how to read the water on the river? so please give me a short report about your skill levels. and what part of the country your from .