Thanks bryantsmallie and again to you Al. I have glass minnow traps that are very good for chubs up north, but I did not have much success using them where the Norfork meets the White. I got about a dozen minnows, but they were some type of river shiner. I used cracker crumbs as bait. I think this year I will use dog food and see what happens. This would all be a moot point if I could just learn how to throw a cast net properly. My guide took me out with him to catch bait last year and I just couldnt get the hang of it. If any of you are familiar with smelt fishing, I do have a boom net that I am going to attempt to use to get shad this year. We have been doing very good on artificials though, so I am not too worried about it. It just seems we get the bigger stripers using live bait. Going to Greers Ferry in 3 weeks and then Norfork a month after that, I cant wait, I just love it down there. I am going to try that with my traps, I had them both facing the same way.