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I don't know how much they spend, but I know that they stock 25 lakes for the urban program twice between nov and feb. The latest accounting on numbers, that I could find, is from 07. They stocked 38,000 in the st. louis lakes alone. That did include busch wildlife area. I'm not positive, but I think this urban program began in 89. We are funding alot of trout dinners.

I think I saw you guys at bssp that weekend. Was your brother the one who slipped off the ledge at the high bank hole and managed to stay dry?

I spoke of a fly that the college boys from springfield were tying a few years back and I'm sure it was a spinoff of Leonard's fly. Fact is that the fly produces. I used it in the high water of 08 and caught 26 taney lunkers just on that one pattern.

My question would be, are we {the sportsman} penalized with reduced limits and reduced stocking numbers in order to support this holiday angling on urban lakes and ponds?

I am offering for sale a 7wt, 9 foot Sage XP, 2 piece rod. Bought in July of 06 and used only for night fishing on taney. Warranty papers are already registered. With all of the high water in the past two years, it has seen very little use. If you like to fish streamer flies, this is the rod you need. Selling price is $400. Send me a PM and a phone # if interested. Thanks. Rick Osborn

A nice piece of "structure" could be a spillway or roller dam at about 703 elevation. Located somewhere in the vicinity of #4 outlet. That would give us our deeper water. On second thought, a roller dam would be too much of a hazard for wading fishermen. A spillway would be the only option.

I say snake oil. It looks like a camera flash going off. Maybe bass would like that. If you used that lure at night on taney, I know exactly how browns would react to it. I think they only advertise it for bass and crappie. None of the ads I have seen actually show the red laser beam like Iaconelli talks about, only the flash. He says fish would be attracted to that beam, but the beam is somewhere other than the lure. The lure is the source and not the point of impact. For 15 bucks plus batteries you can give it a try Brian. I think this lure also detects carbon monoxide and radon.

Running east it made a "J" shaped bend to the south and dumped into a deep hole much like the old #2 outlet. This deep hole tailed out and ran down the existing south bank about where the tree stump is now. From the area that we tip toed across, it made a giant "S" bend. Like you said, it was a great fish holding area. The rainbows built spawning nests through out this entire area. At the end of what we call the guantlet, the big hole was actually a "big deep hole" north to south, bank to bank. That was where the bait fishermen fished all night with laterns. Back then taney continually produced lots of big rainbows. It seems like when we lost the deep water on the upper end, the numbers of big rainbows went on a downhill slide. Lots of good ideas out there and I personally think that deeper water is the key. Give those fish some holding areas like we had in the 70's.

You and I must be the same height, I had to tip toe as well and was scared to death they would run water every time I crossed. Your map is right on. The rebar hole we know today was more of a back eddy then. Sorry to get off topic. I am glad you remember what the old water looked like since you are on this committee. The deep channels that ran from the dam to the guantlet is what we need again. There were only about 2 areas that you could wade across. This might not be good for a safety issue, but great for fish. If you want to fish the south side then park on that side. Thanks for investing your time in this Phil.

You are correct and your friend is probably trying to steer you away from fishing his favorite spot.

The brickyard strip pit, I guess 7.75.

KDAN and I fished friday, sunday, and today at two undisclosed locations. Fishing conditions were tuff, water was high and milky colored. We fished the run "ins" of the deep pockets and deep pools with bfe's, large sowbugs, and girl scout cookies. In three days we hooked up with 11 lunkers and managed to land 5. Only average size fish once again, 3.5 to 5.5. I had one fish around 7 pounds take off on a downhill run and almost spooled me before the 6x let go. I was in water about waist deep and had no good way to follow him. When these water conditions get back to somewhat normal it should be a good winter season. Who else has lunker stories from the weekend?

Manley's fish came from the norfork and Collins 40 pound fish came from the little red. It seems odd to me that the white has never produced any fish of that size. I think 33 pounds is the largest from the white. NOT that 33 pounds is small by any means, but there are alot more river miles to grow and protect fish. Another interesting note, Manley's fish was not recognized by igfa because of the treble hook/bait combination. I don't know if I quite understand that or not. Could have been a miss quote in the article also. Anyway he caught his fish in 88, and the collins fish was caught in 92. The 33 pound fish from the white, in 77.

Well brownieman, I am not sure what the largest rainbow is, but I do know of an interesting story about a large rainbow caught at taney. Robert Brownfield of st. louis caught a 15 pound 6 ounce in august of 1971. It made the missouri state record book as being the largest rainbow trout ever caught on a "limb line". In the 80's , the limb line fish and a fish caught from montauk shared the state record as a tie. That record later moved to RR and has been rewritten twice at RR. Some where ,years back, I read an article stating that brownfield was using a french fry for bait on the limb line. We need to paint them raps to look like a FF. I thought you and others might enjoy this trout fishing trivia.

That sounds like a terrible idea, something the trout parks would do. Those 20 pounders will be lucky to survive being caught the first week.

Brownieman, If you are talking "huge" browns, let's talk 20 pounds instead of 10 pounds. In the past 5 years I only know of 5 fish over 20 pounds. According to MDC, the strain of brown in taney has a life expectancy of 13 years. It probably takes 10 of those 13 years to grow one to 20 pounds. On any given year taney has the possibility of producing a fish the size of the one just caught. But it takes an older fish to attain that weight. He might weigh 25 to 30 pounds, but the odds are that he will die of old age in the near future. I think that there is a very small window of opportunity for a fish that size to be caught. My guess is that only a handful of 25 pound and bigger fish are alive and well at any given time. Unlike "germans" and "seeforellen" browns, our fish have a life expectancy that is five years less. I just don't see taney ever producing a fish much over 32 pounds. I know, we have all heard the rumors, but so far I have not seen any proof to convince me otherwise. Now if you want to talk 10 to 18 pound fish, taney is chocked full of fish this size. On a good year, in the upper lake, you might see upwards of a hundred fish this size in a 2 month period. But there again, only a couple of handfuls will be caught. Taney's browns are smart, wary, and crowd shy. You will catch them off guard very seldom. Unless you have a secret weapon, you will "earn" every 10 pound brown that you catch. I know that you enjoy a challenge brownieman, so taney is that kind of a place.

Why do large "old" trout eat small morsels of food? It is their mainstay. They can lay up in a prime feeding lane with little to no energy wasted, and gorge themselves on sowbugs and whatever may drift through their immediate area. I think the age of the fish has alot to do with it also. Scott's fish and my fish were no doubt near the end of their lifespan. My fish was estimated at 12 years, and the life expectancy is 13 years. As in an older person, it is a lot easier to have pizza delivered than roam the hillside in search of a squirrel for dinner. I think older fish have to capitolize on some easier and less stressful ways to obtain dinner. An interesting story about Rip Collins former record fish is on the internet. An AFGC biologist estimated that Rip's fish contained nearly 3 pounds of sowbugs in it's stomach content. And I am not in any way trying to shadow Scott's accomplishment. This is only my opinion on why large brown trout eat small. That was the question presented by Phil.

The late Rip Collins still holds that with 40 pounds 4 ounces. Scott's fish would be considered "all tackle" and not fly rod. The fly rod world record for four pound is nineteen pounds even, out of argentina.

My congratulations to Scott! A tremendous brown! I think you will enjoy the attention that you are about to recieve. All of your fishing buddies will be calling you, and your story will be published in several newpapers, plus you will get your picture in the conservationist mag. Congrats again Scott. Rick Osborn

Another nice custom rod. I wonder how many he had built at that point. I would imagine most will not remember the original spring view store. Tony and Shirley Pac and then Ed and Kay. Charlie used to fish bennett alot in those days. Now he just does those exotic trips. Thanks for showing the rod Bman.

The all time record brown trout for bennett is an 18 pound 5 ounce caught by jack buschacher in 08. The all time record rainbow is a 15 pound even caught by myself in 92. I landed the rainbow on 7x umpqua tippet.

This may be old news to some. I just recieved my latest addition of international angler. Igfa has just recieved documentation of a 22 pound 4 ounce largemouth bass caught in july from lake Biwa near kyoto, japan. It was caught with live bait by monobu kurita. If certified, it would tie the 77 year old all tackle record held by the late george perry.

That would be the one. Nice!! I have a 9 foot factory xp with the same handle.

Brian, I think you need a 310 heddon, and a systems "one" to go with that collection. I may even have a couple of heddon 300.