thanx gentelmen,i found plans on net for homemade saltwater boards & figured i could scale it down for wally, & white bass size cranks. wife & i had a wonderfull day last fall trolling small cranks last fall for whites & stripes, caught our limit 3 times over, only kept 10 large whites. i kept thinking what if i could get these baits away from the boat. thanx again gents! doc.