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Joe, the FDIC does own the assets it takes in a bank failure, and they'll sell them in one of various ways. I don't know if Westover ended up with FDIC or the new bank, but I would guess the bank didn't take that property -- it's just too big and unique. And even if it did, it's going to be part of the loss-sharing arrangement, so the FDIC will bear most (usually 80%) of the risk. Typically when the owner of a business changes, there will be changes in the business too. Who knows what they'll be? Westover wasn't a money-maker with the investment the previous owner had in it. But there's some point at which the investment is small enough that it could make money. Then there's the possibility of a deep-pocketed owner that doesn't need to make money -- like MDC. It's got a spring-fed stream, rainbow trout and a functional hatchery. Kinda like a small, privately held Bennett. That's what it has to do with fishing.

I think I'd go with the FDIC's announcement. Providence took $600 million-plus in assets, FDIC kept the rest. Loss-sharing would be on the part Providence owns now. That's a fairly common arrangement.

You're laughter-bating, cricket.

Don't we have most of this pissing match going on in another thread? If it's legal, feel free to do it. I'll work around it.

Yeah -- those are pretty cool. Camped with a guy that had one that was about 30 years old. Great weight savings, simple design, worked like a charm. Have you got a lead on them? Biggest downside with a DO is the weight (but, the biggest benefit to cooking).

Man, that's messed up. How do you suppose they determine 'caliber' when they're sending these out? You think they've got lists of medium-caliber fishermen, stream team volunteers or people that have spoken to biologists? Nope. It's a survey, and they sent it to a small sampling of license buyers for the purpose they surely stated on the survey. Folks figured out a long time ago that a random sample of a large population can be just as effective as surveying the whole population, with a lot less trouble and cost. They're looking to learn and possibly make some changes to their management of the resource. Nothing sinister here.

Good on you, Flyflinger. Tying your own flies is part of the whole that makes fly fishing so fun and satisfying. I wish you the best of luck fishing that fly, and hope it's just the first of many to come.

Nice. Tell me more about these terrific breakfasts, please. Always looking fer new ideas.

Yeppers.

Yeah, it's all about the heat regulation. When you're just starting out, it's easy to overdo it. The oven is a large store of heat, so once it's up to temp you don't need to keep adding more and more heat.

http://www.fdic.gov/news/news/press/2010/pr10228.html Well, WE may own it -- it depends on whether that asset gets folded into the new bank, or whether the FDIC holds onto it. Not sure either outcome means anything in particular though -- both the new bank and the FDIC are gonna sell it as soon as they can. But, if the $6.5 million price tag has been out of your reach, whoever has it may be willing to talk.

Like I always say, 'Superior sum vobis quia Latine loqui'

Want me to give you a ride over to the nursing home? Sounds like you're done. I've come to believe there are far more non-fly fishermen talking about fly-fishing snobs than there are actual fly-fishing snobs. As a matter of fact, I can't really think of anyone who is a snob, but this topic comes up all the time here. The different lingo has developed because the processes are different. It's not in an attempt to elevate one method over another. There's a real difference between a typical bobber and a typical indicator. And, that's because the thing on the end of the line is different.

I think the hand of man has been instrumental in the northward migration of the armadillo too. They can make much better time using the highway system, though it is significantly riskier. It will be interesting to see if, over the next few thousand years, natural selection leads to a more car-resistant and/or safety-minded Hoover Hog.

There are more variables in the equation than just water depth: current speed, amount of weight, length of drift, and how choppy the surface is. And how do you know if the water's 5 feet deep anyway? I adjust it until it's ticking along the bottom.

Way to go, Jack! Love the smiles in those pictures -- those are priceless. I don't know about the TFO rods, but a few years back I got setups from Cabela's for my boys. One is called a Traditionalist II (I think) and I use it myself when I can get my hands on it. Nice rod, smooth casting, fairly slow action. Just got the cheapo reels, and they're working fine for what they do.

Funny -- I was just eye-balling the Blue River the other day at lunch (down by Holmes; I work pretty close to there.) But, there are always a few cars in the access parking lot and they don't look like they're there for the fishing. I'd love to get down to Shoal someday. It's just tough getting out at all right now.

You sure know how to pry fishing spots outta folks. I'll get out of the way now so they have room to spill the beans.

Better is in the eye of the beholder. If a feller is looking for size, best head elsewhere. If you can get excited about a parr-marked 6-inch streambred trout, Blue Ribbon might be just what you're looking for.

Just to make it clear, I admire your passion and your ability to keep it civil. Good on you! We oughta get together and fish for them Neodosha smallmouth things sometime

Good points there, Gavin. It was always about habitat, and the ability of trout to reproduce given the habitat. The presumption always was that there was value in the self-sustaining populations of rainbows. Anyone want to argue against protecting Crane? Good luck convincing anybody that Crane or some of the other special places ought to go wild, or the money should be spent elsewhere. That's just reality right there. Did trout crowd out some natives? Who cares -- there's plenty of room for the natives and only a handful of places like Crane for the rainbows. Gotta keep those finicky trout fishermen happy -- they pay a big portion of the freight on all this. I'm lost in the whole spotted bass part of this discussion. It's pretty evident to me what's happening, and there haven't been any solid arguments that make me feel like it's ok to just let it go that way. But I'm gonna stay out of all that. Me, I'm gonna lobby to keep my beloved wild trout happy, well-fed and spawning. And, part of that is keeping the Blue Ribbon stretch length limits high, creel limits low, tackle restricted to low-mortality methods (like flies). If the trade off for all that is low fishing pressure and a lot of forum bitching, I'll take it.

I've got OB at 17 -- he really picked up some momentum with the new avatar. Could have been better if it hadn't been only a head shot. Pretty well thought out arguments; made me go to the dictionary twice. Playing good defense. I docked Chief a couple for the last post -- too many metaphors, and poor usage. Claiming to try to stop beating a dead horse a couple posts ago, in a new post, well you just can't do that. And the paddle thing? Since when do you beat dead horses with paddles? 5 I've got OTF and Andy at 10 each. But I weigh passion and good manners more heavily.

Welcome TFF. I love it out in your neck of the woods!

I didn't miss it, I just cut, pasted and saved it to my (private) collection of good stuff I pick up here and there. But, forgot to say thanks to Al. So, thanks Al!

Those corporate pensions are in far worse shape than is generally realized. They're just kicking that can down the road. We've all heard about the shortfalls in Social Security, but what's not getting a lot of press are the huge state and local budget shortfalls and how that will effect civil servant pensions going forward. Something's got to give, right? ness' plan: 1) live modestly 2) save as much as I can 3) pay all debt off quickly 4) be nice to my kids so they'll take care of me when I'm old