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Sorry, I lost my head.

YOU'RE WRONG A-HOLE.

If I was going deluxe, I'd bring in some good soil. The stuff around here is horrible, and it's made worse when they dig a big hole for the basement, then spread that subsoil over the top. Then I'd make dang sure it was graded correctly to move the water away -- a lesson learned the hard (expensive) way for me on that one. Finally, I'd sod it with a fine-bladed fescue (and, K31 is not fine-bladed, it's clumpy, pasture grass). They'll handle traffic, heat and drought better than a blue grass lawn will. The stuff I overseed with is called Overtime, and I get it from http://grasspad.com/. Sniff around their website -- they've got some good info, even though they're local KC only.

I've been trying to stay out of this, but figure what the hay... Here's the way I understand it. Global surface temperatures have increased about 0.74°C (plus or minus 0.18°C) since the late-19th century, and the linear trend for the past 50 years of 0.13°C (plus or minus 0.03°C) per decade is nearly twice that for the past 100 years. The warming has not been globally uniform. Some areas (including parts of the southeastern U.S. and parts of the North Atlantic) have, in fact, cooled slightly over the last century. The recent warmth has been greatest over North America and Eurasia between 40 and 70°N. Lastly, seven of the eight warmest years on record have occurred since 2001 and the 10 warmest years have all occurred since 1995. Recent analyses of temperature trends in the lower and mid- troposphere (between about 2,500 and 26,000 ft.) using both satellite and radiosonde (weather balloon) data show warming rates that are similar to those observed for surface air temperatures. These warming rates are consistent with their uncertainties and these analyses reconcile a discrepancy between warming rates noted on the IPCC Third Assessment Report (U.S. Climate Change Science Plan Synthesis and Assessment Report 1.1). An enhanced greenhouse effect is expected to cause cooling in higher parts of the atmosphere because the increased "blanketing" effect in the lower atmosphere holds in more heat, allowing less to reach the upper atmosphere. Cooling of the lower stratosphere (about 49,000-79,500 ft.) since 1979 is shown by both satellite Microwave Sounding Unit and radiosonde data (see previous figure), but is larger in the radiosonde data likely due to uncorrected errors in the radiosonde data. Relatively cool surface and tropospheric temperatures, and a relatively warmer lower stratosphere, were observed in 1992 and 1993, following the 1991 eruption of Mt. Pinatubo. The warming reappeared in 1994. A dramatic global warming, at least partly associated with the record El Niño, took place in 1998. This warming episode is reflected from the surface to the top of the troposphere. There has been a general, but not global, tendency toward reduced diurnal temperature range (DTR: the difference between daily high or maximum and daily low or minimum temperatures) over about 70% of the global land mass since the middle of the 20th century. However, for the period 1979-2005 the DTR shows no trend since the trend in both maximum and minimum temperatures for the same period are virtually identical; both showing a strong warming signal. A variety of factors likely contribute to this change in DTR, particularly on a regional and local basis, including changes in cloud cover, atmospheric water vapor, land use and urban effects. Indirect indicators of warming such as borehole temperatures, snow cover, and glacier recession data agree substantially with the more direct indicators of recent warmth. Evidence such as changes in glacial mass balance (the amount of snow and ice contained in a glacier) is useful since it not only provides qualitative support for existing meteorological data, but glaciers often exist in places too remote to support meteorological stations. The records of glacial advance and retreat often extend back further than weather station records, and glaciers are usually at much higher altitudes than weather stations, allowing scientists more insight into temperature changes higher in the atmosphere. Large-scale measurements of sea-ice have only been possible since the satellite era, but through looking at a number of different satellite estimates, it has been determined that September Arctic sea ice has decreased between 1973 and 2007 at a rate of about -10% +/- 0.3% per decade. Sea ice extent for September for 2007 was by far the lowest on record at 4.28 million square kilometers, eclipsing the previous record low sea ice extent by 23%. Sea ice in the Antarctic has shown very little trend over the same period, or even a slight increase since 1979. Though extending the Antarctic sea-ice record back in time is more difficult due to the lack of direct observations in this part of the world. OK, I didn't write that. It's from http://www.nesdis.noaa.gov/FAQs.html#faq11 . There's a lot of good info there, and if you think it's propaganda, you're probably a lost cause. Where these and many other conversations go off the rails is when you stake out one extreme or the other and start name calling.

So, it's a push?

Drought this year -- turns out to be pretty bad. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57473163/u.s-drought-grows-to-cover-widest-area-since-1956/

Yep. But wait, there's more http://www.kctv5.com/story/19025894/police-3-year-old-shot-father

That's pretty cool, JD. I hope you'll keep posting about your progress on this. They're a pretty fascinating creature.

Alright MTB -- please take the post in the way it was written -- as a joke. Just pokin' ya.

Yeah, well Wayner said it better and didn't have paragraph after paragraph of other people's posts smack dab in the middle of it.

Pretty wild video. I really never gave it a lot of thought when I heard about this stuff out in California. I just figgered it was folks who built up in the mountains and knew the risk. Not so in Colorado Springs (and, probably not in CA either in reality). These were neighborhoods pretty much like the ones a lot of us live in -- backing up to undeveloped areas. Amazing how random some of the destruction was. In the aerial photos, you'd see several houses burne3d to the ground completely surrounded by homes that somehow got missed. My cousins ended up ok on this, but it was pretty touch-and-go for them for several days. Fire was within sight of the house and their business for the ones on the east side. Other cousin's cabin over near Cascade was fine too. They kept it contained on the other side of 24 from her.

That's 10!

Yeah, wasn't calling you out on the new law thing. Like you said -- get the complaint to the right people and things will happen.

Somebody knocked down the sign, so somebody ought to know to stop before the bridge, right? That's why I didn' t call somebody -- he already knows. I better call somebody else

I would bet money there wasn't a change to ANY law, just a pist-off wife leaning on her ol' man to make sure it didn't happen again, and enforcement of laws already in place. She probably got all her girlfriends gabbing about it at church, the grocery store, whatever, and the sheriff had to act. That's the thing you guys miss with all your long-winded proposals. Good old fashioned sweet talking and arm twisting will get a lot more done than any of this other nonsense. But, keep on hashing and rehashing until this thread dies out like all the others.

Yeah -- saw the wooden bridge and walked across it. Looked like somebody had knocked the "Bridge Out" sign into the water, because it was hung up on a snag just downstream. If somebody came flying through there at night it would be pretty bad, so I'm gonna call somebody.

That was interesting Wayne. BTW, I drove down to the Kenneth Rd. access GloryDaze mentioned. I'd never been down in there. They had the gates to the little park closed, and I didn't feel like walking in there to see. It'd be a heck of a place to get rid of a body

That has always felt like the most doable solution. Work with what you've got rather than build a new, specialized system. But as far as I know, it's never gotten past the 10-page forum-rehash stage. Same as the stream access issue. Maybe this time will be different

Hey, I like it! We could call ourselves the 2 Horsemen, have a clubhouse with no girls allowed, play with matches, etc.

We're sorry Chief. What do you want to talk about?

Hmmm. I'll have to check that out. I know the Blue Ridge access, and I know the river butts right up against some ballfields straight down Holmes from Martin City (and, Jack's Stack!), but you're farther up than that. And that Red Bridge access is right at where the Santa Fe Trail crossed, IIRC.

I know that log!

Where do you put in?

Little Blue, huh? Interesting history at the Bannister Federal Complex right along through there. WWII airplane engine factory, Dept. of Defense landfill, non-nuclear (right!) parts for nuclear weapons, Honeywell, Westinghouse, Bendix, IRS, GSA, Superfund sites. Beautiful country, that