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Yup. Warm weather. I think it was up higher than normal at that time. I fish the lower parts of the Indian. Thank you.

Has anyone ever waded from Dabbs Greer town access? Last time I checked it out, it seemed you could maybe crawl along the rocks upstream to enter the creek. The water at the bend seems deep. Thank you.

I used cone head buggers, weighted buggers and flashabou buggers - all black and successful this weekend.

My father and I had great success on sow bugs, red butt and black buggers. Met some folks from Memphis, Nashville, Little Rock and Baton Rouge. I'll share a few photos.

Been hitting new water this year. Catching a lot of decent stuff while wading. Not many outings.

Jason, I do believe the owner of the course is Brett Hash who also seems to be selling all that land around the area to developers and i believe another family member is a cop there. The father owns the house by the bridge and he came out threatening me because I had scared one of his neighbors so badly just by wading that she wouldn't come oout of the house. I made my calls to verify I was in the right - which I kind of was - several neighbors had no issue with me there and I had talked to Mr.Hash several times in the past. He at first treated me like crap but we ironed out our differences. He said he was having trouble with stuff below the bridge. The county dept. said he was upset because they are building a new bridge there and taking some of his yard. I have been fishing there since before the houses and course. I parked across from his house and he said I was trespassing on his land and that he owned the whole road because it was blocked off at the bridge. Then he said his son was selling the land next to it and he knew the owner and was going to call him. Then he said he had my tag number and name. I asked him my name and he said he would find out. He tried to scare me off but I didn't blink an eye. Told him that he and I had spoke several times in the past and that I knew his orthodontist neighbor. Well, I also found out from another neighbor that the lady who I supposedly scared just by fishing in the stream doesn't even want her neighbors wading or floating in the stream behind her house. The stream biologist, field agent and county road dept, all said I accessed the stream legally and parked legally and that the road still belongs to the county. I was told to get permission from land owners - of which I technically already had done. Mr.Hash said he had no issue with me until his lady neighbor friend had issues and they were scared because of issues at the bridge and the orthodontist got busted for a meth lab?? and a new bridge was coming through their neighborhood. After speaking with him on the phone and stopping by and speaking with neighbors, I'm cool - except for that woman who won't come to the door and is pissed off that her neighbors don't have a problem with me much less even spoke with me. I still feel Mr.Hash doesn't want me there and his neighbor has begged him to call the cops on me. Being as there are empty lots and the orthodontist home is still empty, I don't feel like asking permission to fish there - because from my experience, once a golf course and gated communities come in (and with lousy AR stream laws) they don't want anyone there because we don't belong to the upper crust. So, I will fish better waters to the north and spend my $$ in another state.

In the past, I have had issues in which I have had to make phone calls to the county road dept., and various branches of law enforcement and AGFC. You can access the stream from the bridge BUT if the stream is not deemed navigable by Arkansas law, you need permission and are technically trespassing even if on a stretch of rural stream. Even though the Illinois River is floatable, it is not navigable. You can be on the water and be legal but once you step foot in that stream, you are trespassing. AGFC will ticket if necessary. They will side with the property owners first. There are not any streams in NWA that are considered navigable. Blessings Golf Course has said to stay off of it. I called and pitched a fit because I had been fishing there for ages. In all honesty, I am love the fact that these streams are not open to the public because the streams are not respected - check out the AGFC on Chambers Rd. A portion of the Illinois, White, Richland and below the dam are legal access. You can access the Illinois but once you are out and not in the National Forest - not counting the farmland - you are trespassing. Not even all of the Kings River is navigable. You can float any stream because the landowners don't own the water and you can catch the fish because they don't own those either. If someone owns one side of the stream, they own to the middle of it. If both sides are owned then the they own the whole stream bed. I have had to make calls and knock on a few doors and sometimes it's worth it. Sometimes, you find out that a property owner will say NO and the others will say yes and you end up wading to the other side of the stream.

What is the best place to wade nearby that area? Thanks for the info, guys.

We are staying across from Kyles Landing. I've floated and fished the river - about 13 years ago. Can't remember where I waded last time. Fishing was lousy - 4 people 3 bass. I'm gonna save floating for fun and wading for fishing. Is Kyles Landing a decent spot to at least begin and have an opportunity to wade or walk the bank? I have 2.5 days with the extended family and planned acitivities which will probably give me 4 hours of fishing time.

So . . . streamers . . . anyone tossing streamers right now or mostly throwing the meat at them right now? Looking to get back in the trout game at Beaver. Love streamers. Chasing smallies too long now. Haven't been to Beaver tailwaters since 03 or 04.

Thanks. Love the Elk.

Nothing huge this year but caught some nice ones. On track for most in a year. Fishing deep. Weighted fly. Been tough. Few of my best places filled with gravel or brush and cover washed away.

He was careless. It seems to me he was ready for a fight. He shoulda let them go on. Defending his property?? From pee.

http://www.dnr.mo.gov/pubs/WR51.pdf A Summary of Missouri Water Laws.

I know this has been posted a few times. But what I see in it is the definition of stream law simplified in the initial definition. I've seen this a few other places including a report from MDC I cannot locate. I have bookmarked many reports and pages of missouri stream law. Page 1 says it all. . http://liv2flyfish.com/HTMLobj-430/PublicRightsInMissouri001.pdf

Al, amen.

It really hit home when I read about the shooting. I've had my share of issues with land owners in Ar. Folks in Mo are truly lucky. I pray this wont affect stream law in Mo. In AR, landowners can practically march you out and we have very few streams to float and fish compared to MO in a legal manner. I fish a lot in Mo because of the freedom I was provided to be in those streams. Landowners cannot prohibit you from moving in the stream and they have to file a complaint against you. As with both states, idiots are to blame for issues on the stream. There are a lot of issues we don't know about which happen on these streams all the time or occasionally make the news like a drunk stabbing among floaters. This shooting will be added to that long list. Floating and fishing is a huge economic advantage to Mo. By giving landowners rights such as in AR, it would shut down shuttle services. The judge will find foolishness and the male bravado played into this shooting and not river rights. My condolences to the victim's family. We should all learn from this as to keep in the stream, respect land owners, open our eyes and ears to be aware of issues while we are on streams. That could have been any of us an any certain day given luck may or may have not been with us.

I think the shooter will be prosecuted. I also believe this isn't enough for legislators to be influenced enough to do anything about stream rights just yet. However, I am pissed about dumb butts who have no respect for the stream, landowners or other floaters/fisherman. (Not directed at those floaters in the article). But once I'm confronted and when the law is on my side, I still watch my back or don't go back because of idiots like this one.

Article gives mixed message on stream law. The writer and attorney are wrong. I've made calls year after year to cover my butt. From my understanding, in MO, you have public navigable and private navigable and in some cases private non - navigable. They always tell me to stay in the stream. There are a few streams I fish that seem to be non- navigable but MDC says I can be in those streams such as the Elk River watershed is designated as public. I can access at any bridge but have to stay IN THE STREAM BED, they ALWaYS tell me that. Property owners get pretty worked up but I think the courts will have to weed out the answer on the verdict. I think the property owner went too far though.

I fish by myself and therefore take my own photos. I don't like to put fish on paddles nor the bank but prefer to take a quick photo and release the fish - instead of spending 3-5 minutes figuring out a photo shot or placing a camera on a log for a self-portrait. That being said, my hands look a lot bigger and fat - sometimes, it's the angle but my fish might be 14 inches but come off looking smaller. So, any suggestions on how to take the photo of a fish - with the exception on holding it in the water - without having a fat hand?

I called the mill (not the farm) and asked if I still had to turn my license in for a tag or pay a day use fee. I think my last trip to the bridge was 2009 or 2010. The field to the north and across from the mill was cordoned off. My last trip there, I spoke with a lady who was keeping watch from the intersection of Bettis Hill Rd. and War Eagle Rd. Some idiot parked on the edge of the road and got his car stuck AND he still made his way to the stream. She said that it was shut down because of the graffiti on the bridge. Litter had been a bit of a problem but the graffiti was the last straw. I spoke with a girl at the mill earlier today and she mentioned that it was free to fish - go and park. The updated website for the mill states, "The fish in War Eagle Creek practically jump on your line. Well, maybe not with that much enthusiasm, but the Creek is a great fishing experience at certain times throughout the year. Kayaks to canoes or fisherpeople on foot, we welcome you. Pick up a kid and go fish." I called again a few hours later and spoke with an older lady. She mentioned that people are always fishing from the field and bridge. Mr.Sharpe doesn't want anyone using metal detector's though. I was astonished. I thought for sure fishing from the field was done for. The past previous time i was there and before the field was cordoned off, there were tons of people down there and litter was strewn everywhere - diapers and anything you could imagine. I had never seen that many people down there. When I traded my license that day for a tag to put in my window, I landed 13 spotted bass in about an hour and went home. Time to head back but SPREAD THE WORD - KEEP THE AREA CLEAN - remember the cemetery hole got shut down due to littering.

Wow, looks like those trees were strategically placed there by mother nature. Yeah, looking at water gauges. it seems a bit swift but that's all for the better. Nice smallie. The oddest looking coloring.

Daddy-O, there's been trouble with folks being disrespectful to landowners, etc. Just be careful - AGFC has been out there a bunch, Some folks tried duck hunting on private property and now my access is shut down by "farmer brown". The land south or across is Ozark National Forest though. Tough fishing there but I've caught some decent spotted bass and a bunch of small smallmouth with some decent smallies thrown in here and there. Be careful when wading down stream - it gets pretty swift about 1/4 of a mile down and pretty deep and gnarly. The stream can get pretty dirty at times but there are all sort of species including crappie. One year, five of us had access about 1 mile downstream and caught about 30 bass and crappie in 2 days. Chartreuse flies and yellow Rooster Tails worked best along with chartreuse Storm Minnows.

DaddyO - there is one public access in AR on the Illinois River - on HWY 412 there is an AGFC area east of Siloam. Another access on old 68 which used to be a public rest stop. Other than that, it's touchy. Gavin - i've done it once before at a tying class. I'm gonna get a dubbing tool for making Crazydads. Then I'm gonna learn about maybe blending/shading up from a red tip to maybe a chartreuse body . . .

I received a version of this fly in a swap about 5 or 6 years ago. I had a lot more rubber on the tail and on a smaller hook. I upgraded to a size 2 and put a rabbit strip as the tail for more movement - the original tyer had rubber legs and marabou but it was a bit of a mess and the legs prohibited movement. I've been tearing up the smallmouth and panfish on the Illinois River system here in AR. I tie these in olive, black and chartreuse. Right now, I'm only putting hackle on the black one. The original pattern I received had no hackle. The smallmouth photo shows a black Shucker - aptly named due to using long shuck estaz. Email me with any questions. And yes, those are bait hooks . . .