Thom

The decking occured in 1987 and was in self defence. Carol was in tears when she told me about it. Things are much different now and I wouldn't recommend it today unless absolutely necessary. The victim in our society is often made the villan. Every notice in sports events the player that slams the other player back usually gets the penality. It is as you said great to work things out with an arbitrator if possible and the parents must work together to solve the problem. I usually start out my conservation "...problally both kids are a little wrong" and go from there. It gives the parent of the offender a chance to save face. You will quickly find out if that course is the way to go. If not end the conversation and go through the authorities. Keep written records for CYA and don't use them unless you are forced into it. I worked in the inner city (St. Louis) for years with youth and learned if you can difuse the situation and talk it out Kids often hug, apologize, and often become best friends. Do it privately with another adult witness preferably parents or another counsler and keep everything quiet. If ego's become involved it is more difficult any problem.

Be sure that you document everything you do in relation to contacting the school. I was involved with a simular problem with my daughter who was being bullied by a child on the bus. I would write a letter to the principal and the school bus company detailing the problem and send it registered mail. Keep a copy. Demand that the situation be handled immediatelly and and that your privacy be maintained. They are required by law to deal with such situations and if their feet are held to the fire will. If you don't keep documentation they will weinie out on you and leave you holding the bag. Often the child being bullied becomes the accused agressor if you don't keep a record of what you have done. Believe me registered mail gets their attention. In the case of my daughter the girl followed her off the bus and began pushing her. Carol told her three time to stop and then finally turned around and decked her. The bully didn't know that Carol's brothers were both state class wreslers and had shown her how to defend hereself. I wouldn't advise this approach except as a last resort. Fortunatelly there were witnesses (adults who saw the incident). When she got home I immediately went to the parent of the girl with Carol and told them what occured. The mother was grateful and thanked me for coming to her first. She handeled it and the whole thing ended. Unfortunatelly lots of parents today are not that easy to deal with. This is a big problem in schools today.

Seth: Check out this link: http://www.fishingtacklerepair.com/ They have lots of rod building parts and may be able to help you. Thom

Thanks for the input guys. Looks like my Christmas list just got an addition: Rio 5 wt DT flyline.

Crappiefisherman: Sounded to me like you were pretty much right on. Every one has a little different way of getting where we are going and when. What works for you is what counts. Material things can be taken quickly but your family and how you relate to them is very important.

Dano and others: Most of my lines are WF. I was under the impression it would help me with distance. Can one of you experts discuss the advantages of WF VS: DT for my benifit. I am not one of those guys that can thrown out 40 foot of line regularly. I have a 4 wt, two 5wt, a 6 wt and recently purchased an 8 wt. for Reds and specks in the gulf as well as night fishing at Taney. The 8 wt came loaded with WF and I can throw it a mile. I mostly backcast from my boat so I can get away with some lack of finese. I don't have any problem with roll casting WF. I am open for suggestions and opinoins. Please educate me.

Time is what you invest in your children and those you love. When mine were growing up we took vacations, camped out, went to all of their activities. Most of this doesn't require much money. Time can never be reclaimed. Be sure you give of yourself to God, family, friends and those who are less fortunate. The dividends are eternal. We still talk about some of those good times when I share the results of a good savings plan with my children and grandchildren staying at a 5 star resort or just bumming around in the good ole USA.

Seth: Put away as much as you can through an IRA (tax deferred check off) of some sort. I did it and didn't miss the 10 to 15 per cent. It has grown beyond my wildest belief. A word of advice. Go with a conservative broker such as Edward Jones. They will diversify your investment and it will grow each year incremently. Remembe that time in the market always has worked....trying to time the market usually gets you burned. I have stuck it out during this recent drop and my broker bought from my plus side when others were selling. Wow what a strtegy. The flim flam investment agencies that claim to make money fast usually make more for themselves than you. Unless you are knowledgeable and follow the market daily maybe even hourly you will eventually get burned trying to do it yourself or through irreputable independent brokers. My investments have grown 8 to 15 percent yearly troughout the good and bad times even after the broker fees. Smart move on your part. Starting early and sticking with it is the way to go.

I fished Thursday about 6PM at outlet #1. I met a Student from Springfield named Russel. Real nice kid. We were comparing notes and flies. He then pulled out two boxes of flies loaded with winners. Neatly tied and probally at least 50 to 100 dollar amount if purchased from a catalog. He said he met a real nice guy named Leonard who really gave him lots of tips that really worked. He said that Leonard later sent him the flies he showed me. I don't think this is typical of a guy that has many secrets. Maybe one for now

I have seen and fished Leonard's PMS. He was gracious enough to share it with me and my grandson on a recent trip. He gave Zack one along with several other flies that night. The PMS was very productive as was the other flies we used. It was not a guided trip just a couple of guys sharing a good time. What't the big deal about someone playing cards close to the vest. Me thinks some of you protestes too much.

Bass pro has a video for 9.95 that has 4 basic flies as well as starting out info. It is excellent. Step by step DVD that you can stop and reverse.

What a bummer.I went to this secret place this am and there were 20 other guys there after you posted it on this forum. Thanks a lot.

Very interesting post although scary. I wonder how many other streams are on their way to the same fate. Great pictures and comments.

Those figures include money generated from logging, travew, restruants, fishing equipment. All of that translates into jobs for people, good clean fun and enjoyment for families and sportsmen, and sales taxes that benefit many other state programs and infrastructure. I think it is a great deal. Remember we pay nothing to enter the trout parks, state parks for the most part, and fishing fees other than liscense. That is not true in most States. Most of the states charge a fee to just enter the park even if you just drive through. Texas for instance charges a day fee for their parks and for the last 4 or 5 years have taken lots of amenities out, do not maintain their roads, and facilities are very run down. They have a hundred mile stretch of highway between North and South padre Island that does not even have a rest area. BTW the out of state license for inshore fishing liscense is 70+ dollars and thed fresh water liscense is another 70. That is after you pay to enter the State Park. We have it pretty good in Missouri and Arkansas isn't to bad either. Drive up to Wisconsin, Minesota, or Michigan (excepting the Great Lakes) and check out what they have there for fees and faciilities. You would kiss the ground when you got back home.

If you pick up some of the underwater cover and from the bank and shake it off you will see very small fresh water crustacea. Crush one or two on something white and that will answer your question. A distinct salmon color will be obvious. I usualy keep stockers if I want to have fresh fish for lunch to fry. The white meat has a milder flavor and seems to keep longer when refrigerated also. My wife prefers the salmon colored flesh so sometimes I mix it with one or two larger fish from the unrestricted water on the way to the slip. HMMMMM! Who wants a fish dinner with a fishy taste. DUH

I am tying some Zonkers, larger streamers, Wooly buggers and other experminents to try some night next week. I will be in Branson for a week 25-31. If you hear a large splash after dark next week it will probally be me. Oh I probally should mention.....It probly won't be me landing a pig but rather falling in. Bad Knees. I get around slowly and fall a lot but It is still fun.

Randy: I will be down that whole week. Not sure if I will be bringing my boat but maybe we can get together one day to fish if you don't have any other partners. I fish lots of patterns and have several jig patterns that work well on the restricted area. PM me on the forum if you are interested. I stayed at Phil's two weeks ago and caught lots of fish mostly from short creek to Lookout. I understand that they are also catching fish downstream also but I didn't do to well down there. Just tried one day and was doing so good upstream that I didn't try to long. Jigs from 1/100 to 1/64 do well in Olive, sculplin, bright pink, and black over yellow fished under a small float. this works well both in the channel as well as on the gravel shallower side. If the water is running floating and jigging ticking off the botttom also is good by floating over the rocks and jigging the same colors but in larger sizes.

Frustrating isn't it. Here is the route to the system restore on my computer: Click: Start. Click: Help and Support Click: Performance and Mainenance Click: Using the restore and undo changes Run: System restore wizard. As I said previously it will go back to an earlier date that you choose but will not change any saved files or data. This has gotten me up and running on computers a couple of times and then sometimes it flops.

If that is the fish that I think it is in Illinois it is called a dogfish. I broke a flyrod once landing one of them in Rend Lake. I was told that they were full of bones and weren't good to eat. It looked to weight near 4 # and was about 20 inches. I landed it hand over hand on the line. I thought I had a big Bass or catfish until I saw him. Luckly enough I had a net and could avoid those devious teeth. I was fishing for crappie with minnows.

Skeeter: If I recall correctly the lake that I visited was at the head of the Wind river but we hit several lakes on that particular trip and also into the Indian reservation Just our of Jackson hole. Being an avid birder almost every habitat that I have visited there were species that were imported with good intentions of ridding some insect, providing food for some animal or they just looked nice. Hence overpopulation of starlings, purple finches, some sparrows that originally had natural preditors that were absent here. Kudso that has devastated the south was another well intentioned idea initiated on the premise that God made a mistake and needed our help. Intoducing species where are not indigent to the habitat seldoms works out in the long run is is often nearly irreversal.

We fix the butterfly trout with the stove top dressing also as suggested int the link. I prefer corn bread dressing. For a nice addition buy a few small cocktail shrimp and some crab meat. Bearly cook them about 1-2 minutes in butter, celery and onions and add it to the dressing. Ymmmmm Never any left over dressing at our home when prepared this way.

I had a simular thing happen this week. Two things you might try 1. If you can go to a previous date restore such as XP has has try to restart to a week earlier date. It will reset all configs to the settings on that date but will not erase any files or saved material on computer. I had to do this recently after a storm and I lost my ISP confifs. 2. It's sounds soooooo simple but the message I had said "don't open files because security certifates had expired and and are not up to date or another message "You cannot access these files because you do not have privelege. What had happened is that my computer calender had restet to Feb 4, 2004 so stored data and updates were only in effect before that date. I reset my clock and everything worked perfectly. Go figure.

Fished on the San Jaun in New Mexico lots of times in a Clacka. Lots of fun and very comfortable and stable. We put in below the dam and held and fished the hot spots then drifted down towards the end of the trip and took out past the riffles and deeper water past the camping area. Lots of fun.

I spent a couple of weeks working (and fishing) on a guest ranch in Wyoming on the Wind river. Tough job but someone had to do it. We went to a couple of Large no name lakes in the mountians where it required that every Lake Trout be kept or destroyed. Lake trout had so devastated the rainbow and brown population that they had been trying with little success for several years to erradicate them. The large ones were oily and not to good to eat. The lake Trout were introduced with the intention of attracting sportsmen to the possibility of catching a lunker but actually ruined the lakes with overpopulation. Not many came because of the difficulity of getting to the lakes so no pressure allowed the problem. They were also like hooking into a big log with heavy test line no fight and no runs. You just horsed them in and took a pic. I am surprised that the giant squid at dam at Taney hasn't caused the same problem since most of them are asexual. Squids not strippers.

Every time I get interested this is the kind of feed back I have gotten back from my broker and other sources in the market. "I would not buy gold as a means of investing due to temporary calamities," says Leonard Kaplan, president of Prospector Asset Management in Evanston, Ill. "Those tend to be a temporary rally, which soon quits. When we invaded Iraq in the early '90s, the gold market dropped almost $30 the minute the first bomb fell. "But right now, if all goes well in the world -- Iraq and North Korea go away, there are no sensationalistic terrorist events -- we'll still see gold's price rise in 2003," he adds. The key seems to be keeping up with the trends and gold market daily. I don't have the time to do that so I diversify heavily. Bonds go one way and stocks balance etc. It has gotten me 10 to 15 percent after broker's fees for the last 20 years even in the year of 9/11 when the gold market went real sour.