Supreme Court Upholds 2nd Amendment...

[Trav]

Thank you JD!

[Danoinark]

Isn't the Brady Foundation headed by Sarah Brady, wife of the secret service agent that caught the bullet for Reagan? I don't think Mr. Brady is that vocal about the gun control.

Nosir, Jim Brady was shot in the head as he stood next to Ronald Reagan when John Hinckley fired the shots as he tried to assassinate Reagan. Brady was Reagan's press secretary. His wife does most of the talking because he has difficulty speaking.

Dano

[Don Allenbaugh]

What comes around goes around. Back in the 50s we (the hunters and liberals in Pennsylvania) voted U. S. Senator Hugh Scott (head of the republican senate at the time) out of office because the repubs wanted to restrict gun control. Conservatvies were a dirty name back then because they wanted to control everything we did like some of the liberals want to today. Both sides have good and bad, but one thing you can count on is that NONE of the pols are for any American (rich or poor) who work for a living. By the way Trav it is against DOD policy to have any type of weapons in a house on an American base. They have to be stored in the armory.

[Trav]

Don,

I was just starting up with my collection in those days, had maybe 8. I lived off post, and worked on the bases. I had to register them though to get them shipped. And had to qualify and register to carry a pistol. I worked in the jungle and a sidearm was a precautionary tool.

But I did have plenty of buddys that had firearms at there homes on post. In fact one of my friends neighbors got in trouble for firing a pistol into the air during a New Years party. Not sure what his punishment was but he kept his sidearm.

So what gives????

Im not questioning your knowledge, just confused for it differs from my experiance.

[bigredbirdfan]

You see Obama had to be for the ruling.

1) The a majority of the public right now was happy with it (this is called which ever way the wind blows)

2) He had to cover his rear end after the comments he made in Pennsylvania

But you can count on Liberals wanting more gun control because they know better than the rest of us simple people.

[Trav]

I would take a guess that Obama hasnt even fired a weapon.

[McManus]

Is this a conservation issue?

Let's talk about clean water.

[Trav]

No such thing as clean water here on lower Taney. Just chocolate milk!

[hoglaw]

The decision was 5-4, but it's nearly impossible to define the Court on a liberal/conservative basis. Justices Stevens and Souter were both republican appointees (Ford and Bush Sr.), and both disagreed with the majority. Additionally, Justice Kennedy joined the majority opinion though he has frequently been on the "liberal" side of things. Anyone who attempts to define the Supreme Court as liberal/conservative is barking up the wrong tree. These guys are far too intelligent to be bound by traditional political labels, and they don't have to pander to voters.

Trav, it's disingenuous to believe that any gun control legislation will be "used as precedent." Legislation is not legal precedent for Supreme Court opinions interpreting the constitution. The gun lobby is as guilty of propagandizing as the anti-gun lobby, particularly when you say things like any gun control measure is just a stepping stone for further gun control. I think we all agree that firearms can't be completely unregulated, right? The Supreme Court's ruling goes far beyond D.C. Essentially, any prohibition on functional firearm possession in the home is going to be unconstitutional from here on out.

As a last aside, this is a great example of "judicial activism." It was a 5-4 opinion addressing a fundamental right protected by the constitution. Basically, the Court interpreted the Second Amendment in a way that it has never been interpreted before. That's as "activist" as it gets. I personally agree with the opinion and with Justice Scalia's rationale in reaching the right result. This is going to be a great counterargument for me against anyone who decries "liberal activist judges" in the future. God bless these United States and God bless the Court.

[Trav]

Very articulately put HogLaw.

I would say that anything can be used as a precedent. If registered in a court of law.

To seperate the gun lobby from its adversaries might be of a "who is to blame" for the challenge, but it is of no mistake that the reason it even was brought up in front of the supreme court is a liberal motivated cause that conservitives brought to thier attention. You cant get more motivated than conservitives argueing that the liberals are suppressing them in of all places. DC.

Makes ya think a little.

If the decision was reversed, You can count on the fact that they would have gone after the shotguns sold at WalMart! To an anti gun lobby, a gun is a gun. Dont matter if it is a pistol or a rifle. Lets not forget that both JFK and Martin King were shot by hunting rifles. Not hand guns.

As far as the political ramifications between Obama and McCain, ....I browse alot of extremist sights and read alot of blogs conserning politics. This little fishing message board is mild to what I have read. There is alot of talk about shooting Obama before he can win the election. I advocate that if that was to be done it will fuel a democratic win and will hurt the McCain Agenda. Nothing worse than Hillary saying she will win it for Barrak. The sympathy vote will kill us conservitives.

I am not afraid of a Nobama( to steal a JD sentiment) victory. I feel that a McCain victory is our only way to go. And the American people will elect the man with the most experiance. Obama hasnt even been in Iraq, John has been there several times and with a peace agenda. He dont care if we are there a 100 years. All he cares about is that we dont have any more casualties. We have been in Korea for 50 years, Japan 60 years, Germany 60 years. No conflicts. Obama wants to run away from the war on terror. Pull troops out when they arent even being hurt anymore. Have we forgotten that there are people out to get us? I think 9-11 is fading on the general public wich is a grave mistake. Lets not forget that Bill Clinton just over looked the bombings on the african embassy and the USS Cole. And then Bush Jr had to pick up the peices of his neglect! Goerge dont get enough credit. Remember when he had a 88% approval rating after the towers fell?

I think this whole, "Change" propaganda is a bunch of crap. A Prez cant change anything on his own. And lets not put aside that the anti-American sentiment still exists. We will be be in Afghanistan for many decades as well. We might even have to war against Pakistan for they are harboring fugitives. To add Seria and of course the last of the pack, Iran, there is no way Obama can handle all this.

I for one dont care who is appointed to the Supreme court. I feel they are all lawyers and like Thomas Jefferson they will make laws that is best for the American public. They all may have thier loyalties but they all know that they are an entity of thier own and what ever persuasions they have will have effects on us more than the congress and senate combined. At least they dont have lobbyists buying them dinners and vacations. And they arent saying how our hard earned tax dollars are spent.

They are law makers. So to bring my rant back to a full circle. The ruling on the right to bear arms is an american tradtion. Let a invader try to take US property. Not only do we have the mighty military force, but we have citizens that will fight with thier right own arms! I have seen Red Dawn! Its pretty accurate to the way we will respond.

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

Lets not leave out words like regulated and infringed. Even in the wild west a cowboy had to check his side arm with the sheriff while being in Dodge City or even Tombstone. The priviledge is they couldnt be infringed. Stay out of town if you cant live without you gun. But, those that were residents of those town could keep thier guns. It changes everything. No different than the restrictions we have from state to state. I can carry a gun in missori but not in Illinois. I think it is good that the police have tools with the law. I just think that those tools shouldnt be used against us. Or played as an automatic threat.

Haha

With all that said, I have made my point.

Back to fishing!