Judicial Ruling Stops Cafo Construction In Missouri

[CMAC]

Big Al:

I support eat local to; farm raised by a family not a corporation, but ag as an industry is a staple to the AMERICAN economy. What other economies do we have now? Steel, auto, etc.? There are intrinsic costs as use mention due to pollution; but how do we address those issues created from automobiles, smog, illegal dumping (City of Osage Beach) and know polluntants. The US economy has the cheapest food in world, despite high grain prices, high fuel and transportation cost we still do. We export more food than any other country especially pork and chicken, why because other cultures (hispanics, asians, and others) enjoy cheap commodity as well and are tranforming into more DOMESTICATED societies. So the question of feeding the world is applicable in it's own right, as nation, as a culture, as a farmer.

Good discusion!

[Snow Fly]

IF I REMEMBER some of the info posted in 2007 when Bill# ???? came up I THINK these Agri-Corps were also exempt from any pollution issues such as sewage lagoon failures etc. and the biggest issue being local government NOT being able to make their own regulations concerning CAFO operations.

DNR's Mission is to "Protect, Preserve and Enhance Missouri's Natural, Cultural and Energy Resources. They are also charged with the issuance of CAFO permits, and now finds itself at direct odds with it's own mission. just take a look at the pollution problems the state of Arkansas has to deal with and the devastation their watersheds have taken. I feel Agri-Corp play the me first and the state resources second and how many of these same companies are also known for their hiring practices of illegals for cheap labor cost which equals the ME First attitude. I do not feel the same towards the hard working farmer who spends an extreme number of hours working with little in return for their labors.

American Industries moving their operation to other countries are also interested in the same ideals of ME FIRST and the country last. They are looking for cheap labor, little if any environmental regulations which equals MORE $'s for fewer people.

I noticed in the paper today Russia has suspended imports from 19 chicken producers from the US. Quality was their stated issue but the real truth of the matter probably deals with the issues taking place in Georgia.

In these times I guess their are no easy answers to the many problem we face daily.................................

[taxidermist]

Some of you are biting the hand that feeds you. You dont want this and dont want that, then bitch about high prices.

Who is going to feed you?

You want to make CAFO someone elses problem, but yet you talk while feeding your face! It is not the farmer who is making $$$$$$$$$$. if so all the chicken farmers would be millionares and its not happening.

Next look at all the crap homes are pumping into TableRock, Taneycomo, crap, fertilizers etc. The lakes are going to be murky the year round in a few more years, yet some of you want to blame farmers. Its not all the farmers fault. in most cases its as much your fault as it is the farmers.

Look at Lake of the Ozarks, in 5 years thats what TR will look like and everyone lives down stream!

[SKMO]

I have read this thread and many others on the CAFO subject. Man... it is a tough biological and sociological nut to crack. Every one is right... to some extent. There is no one easy solution to this and a jillion other problems brought on by..... OVERPOPULATION.

What happened to the population control groups so visable in the 70's? I am sure they still exist but the had some real front page coverage years ago. Now, not so much. Really, this is a serious question on my part. I guess we as a society have decided that technology and/or famine and/or war will keep this green planet healthy.

As far as the Roaring River CAFO (I think I put this in a year or two ago) the operation can not and will not impact Roaring River State park, as it well below the Park, gravity-wise. I mean it is in the lower watershed. Unless chicken poop starts to run uphill RRSP is safe. The lower couple miles of Roaring River are definitely succeptible to impact. IF the operation is run correctly there may never be a really negative inplact on the lower river, or Table Rock Lake.

IF. Short word, big implications.

I am on neither side of this issue except I think there are right and wrong places to grow our food and do our business. The Roaring River Watershed is a nice place and I pray it remains so. I spend a lot of time there, even more so on TR Lake.

Another concept to consider: NIMBY

"Not In My Back Yard"

Doubt if we would be having this discussion if the CAFO was in southern Iowa. But's it's in somebodies backyard. Ours, and we get all bent out of shape.

Think Globally

Think Ahead.

Blessings - SKMO

[taxidermist]

I certainly hope those that dont want these operations in their bakyard are not talking with food on the table and grub in their hands. Its always fine when its in someone elses yard.

I sure dont like turkey houses, but I dont own one yeat they stick, but its not my land they are on and as long as the owner does their job we all get along.

One friend has six chicken houses, they work hard to keep them clean. mman I would not have one. I dont bitch about them either.

Today I had to go to Little Rock, we were behind a very nasty smelling truck for a large part of the way, foun dout later he was carrying human sluge from a large Missouri town, guess where to???? A disposal plant in Little Rock AR. Missouri is making it someone elses problem. In Littel Roc k it will be sertilized and later injected into rice fields as fertilizer. but it is transported pretty muc untreated right down along HWY 65.

So I huess it sfine as long as your state makes it someone else problem.

The old saying remains the same.

We all live down stream.

[Doc Tom]

I have read this thread and many others on the CAFO subject. Man... it is a tough biological and sociological nut to crack. Every one is right... to some extent. There is no one easy solution to this and a jillion other problems brought on by..... OVERPOPULATION.

What happened to the population control groups so visable in the 70's? I am sure they still exist but the had some real front page coverage years ago. Now, not so much. Really, this is a serious question on my part. I guess we as a society have decided that technology and/or famine and/or war will keep this green planet healthy.

As far as the Roaring River CAFO (I think I put this in a year or two ago) the operation can not and will not impact Roaring River State park, as it well below the Park, gravity-wise. I mean it is in the lower watershed. Unless chicken poop starts to run uphill RRSP is safe. The lower couple miles of Roaring River are definitely succeptible to impact. IF the operation is run correctly there may never be a really negative inplact on the lower river, or Table Rock Lake.

IF. Short word, big implications.

I am on neither side of this issue except I think there are right and wrong places to grow our food and do our business. The Roaring River Watershed is a nice place and I pray it remains so. I spend a lot of time there, even more so on TR Lake.

Another concept to consider: NIMBY

"Not In My Back Yard"

Doubt if we would be having this discussion if the CAFO was in southern Iowa. But's it's in somebodies backyard. Ours, and we get all bent out of shape.

Think Globally

Think Ahead.

Blessings - SKMO

A well thought out response.

I agree completely. My brother's-in-law place is less than 1/2 mile from the chicken houses on Hwy F near Roaring River. They are NO threat to the park.

However, the chicken industry is responsible for significant pollution in local streams. Primarily from the spread on fields, not the houses.

As you stated the basic problem in Overpopulation. Until that is fixed these other things are going to be hard to deal with

Doc

[Chief Grey Bear]

This was in today edition. http://www.joplinglobe.com/homepage/local_...eadpicturestory

[Chief Grey Bear]

Today I had to go to Little Rock, we were behind a very nasty smelling truck for a large part of the way, foun dout later he was carrying human sluge from a large Missouri town, guess where to???? A disposal plant in Little Rock AR. Missouri is making it someone elses problem. In Littel Roc k it will be sertilized and later injected into rice fields as fertilizer. but it is transported pretty muc untreated right down along HWY 65.

So I huess it sfine as long as your state makes it someone else problem.

The old saying remains the same.

We all live down stream.

Interesting way to state that Taxi. I would like to know your source of information on that as I would like to research it. From what I can understand from your statement, it sounds as if some fertilizer company is purchasing the sludge from a municipality and transporting to Little Rock. If that is so, that is one heck of a long way to transport human sludge that could be accumulated from sources much closer than what you are stating.

[mosouthpaw]

your logic is flawed. Arkansas law allows it to be sent there, ergo its Arkansas' problem. Locally my town does the same thing, it disperses refined solid wastes on field. However they post and let the field sit fallow for X amount of years. Yet we dont send it across state lines, we deal with it. Personally id rather see it refined into methane gas for power generation but thats another story. Im no chemist but i view the "sludge" as being recycled, how is that bad? (assuming no ecoli or other harmful agents are passed along) If there is a better use or way then by all means do that....

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Today I had to go to Little Rock, we were behind a very nasty smelling truck for a large part of the way, foun dout later he was carrying human sluge from a large Missouri town, guess where to???? A disposal plant in Little Rock AR. Missouri is making it someone elses problem. In Littel Roc k it will be sertilized and later injected into rice fields as fertilizer. but it is transported pretty muc untreated right down along HWY 65.

So I huess it sfine as long as your state makes it someone else problem.

The old saying remains the same.

We all live down stream.

[Al Agnew]

Spreading either human waste or animal waste on fields can be a good, reasonably safe use for it...IF done in moderation. But ask the smallmouth anglers on the Shenandoah River in VA what happens when too much of it is spread on river bottom fields. Multiple major fish kills when rain makes it run off into the river. Even if it doesn't kill fish, it contributes to overfertilization of the stream if there is any erosion. So it can be done safely but it takes care and oversight.