bigredbirdfan Posted September 3, 2008 Posted September 3, 2008 Of course they do not care for each other, especially after the stuff Rove pulled on McCain in South Carolina. BUT McCain is the one making the claim he has voted with President Bush over 90% of the time and they are definitely going after the same base of voters in order to be elected. Remember it is all about "Country First". Last I checked presidents don't vote in the Senate and even Obama voted with the President most of the time. Many votes are consensus vote that the whole chamber votes yes on. I thought I saw that 90% graphic on a Obama ad this morning.
Fishhand Posted September 3, 2008 Posted September 3, 2008 Both canidates are going to take this country in new directions. Please tell me you guys supporting Obama don't belive John McCain is just 8 more years of the same. But if a see another picture of another angle of our current president and McCain closely shaking hands like they are long lost cousins I my go buy some cheap TVs so I can pull an Elvis. Other than national security I don't think the two men really even care for each other. It may not be 8 more years of the same, but in my opinion, if McCain gets elected it will be 4 more years of very similar policy positions in regards to the Iraq War, the War on radical islam, the War on Terror, the War on this and the War on that. McCain has admittedly "shot from the hip" and used his gut feelings about certain issues and running mates. In my opinion, if circumstances arise during his Presidency, he'll use those same gut feelings which could lead this nation further down the path we're currently travelling. I agree with the decision to pursue Osama bin Laden into Afghanistan, however, the Iraq War is based on false pretenses which we went into based on gut feelings and no substantive evidence. In my opinion, Obama had the vision and analytical thought process that saw through the dealings which led up to our nation's decision to perform regime change in Iraq and that has us now embroiled in the Iraq War (I've never used embroiled in a sentence before in my life). He voted against the War. The way I look at it, if our nation could have borrowed 9 trillion dollars from China and whoever else we've borrowed money from and spent that money on infrastructure improvents, research and development of green technologies, etc. we would be so far ahead of every other nation in the world it would be comical. We would be looked up to, have less worries of dependence on foreign oil, and would be a model for other countries / governments to emulate. Thereby, spreading democracy. In my opinion, we should lead by example, not by force of will and might.
Members mark hedger Posted September 3, 2008 Members Posted September 3, 2008 Last I checked presidents don't vote in the Senate and even Obama voted with the President most of the time. Many votes are consensus vote that the whole chamber votes yes on. I thought I saw that 90% graphic on a Obama ad this morning. Obviously the President does not cast votes in the Senate. Semantics nonetheless; those were John McCain's words and everyone knows what they mean.
bigredbirdfan Posted September 3, 2008 Posted September 3, 2008 Boys, looks like there are enough McCain voters to over ride the Obama supporters in this forum . I guess we will just see what the rest of the country chooses. I do know this, the Clinton supporters are not supporting Obama and that is a problem. Palin will pickup more than few of them.
Trav Posted September 3, 2008 Posted September 3, 2008 Will an Elephonkey make a good pet? "May success follow your every cast." - Trav P. Johnson
Members McCloud Posted September 3, 2008 Members Posted September 3, 2008 It may not be 8 more years of the same, but in my opinion, if McCain gets elected it will be 4 more years of very similar policy positions in regards to the Iraq War, the War on radical islam, the War on Terror, the War on this and the War on that. McCain has admittedly "shot from the hip" and used his gut feelings about certain issues and running mates. In my opinion, if circumstances arise during his Presidency, he'll use those same gut feelings which could lead this nation further down the path we're currently travelling. I agree with the decision to pursue Osama bin Laden into Afghanistan, however, the Iraq War is based on false pretenses which we went into based on gut feelings and no substantive evidence. In my opinion, Obama had the vision and analytical thought process that saw through the dealings which led up to our nation's decision to perform regime change in Iraq and that has us now embroiled in the Iraq War (I've never used embroiled in a sentence before in my life). He voted against the War. The way I look at it, if our nation could have borrowed 9 trillion dollars from China and whoever else we've borrowed money from and spent that money on infrastructure improvents, research and development of green technologies, etc. we would be so far ahead of every other nation in the world it would be comical. We would be looked up to, have less worries of dependence on foreign oil, and would be a model for other countries / governments to emulate. Thereby, spreading democracy. In my opinion, we should lead by example, not by force of will and might. I don't believe he was in the U.S. Senate to cast a vote,but Biden did, and I believe he was in favor of removing Sadam Hussien. Biden also was on the Foriegn relations commitee who heard the same information as Bush.I believe that looking at decisions in hindsight is easy and Bush as President bears responsibilty or credit for the progress made.Earlier this year all you heard was the troop surge would not work-it did!Over the weekend you had to search for information regarding the U.S. turning over the violent Anbar province to Iraq.Let me see the Dems VP pick made a proposal to divide Iraq among the Kurds,Sunnis and Shias -do you not believe that would embolden Iran.I would hope that if elected McCain would keep up the war on terroism.Since 911 we have not had a terror attack on US soil.
Fishhand Posted September 3, 2008 Posted September 3, 2008 I don't believe he was in the U.S. Senate to cast a vote,but Biden did, and I believe he was in favor of removing Sadam Hussien. Biden also was on the Foriegn relations commitee who heard the same information as Bush.I believe that looking at decisions in hindsight is easy and Bush as President bears responsibilty or credit for the progress made.Earlier this year all you heard was the troop surge would not work-it did!Over the weekend you had to search for information regarding the U.S. turning over the violent Anbar province to Iraq.Let me see the Dems VP pick made a proposal to divide Iraq among the Kurds,Sunnis and Shias -do you not believe that would embolden Iran.I would hope that if elected McCain would keep up the war on terroism.Since 911 we have not had a terror attack on US soil. Oops, Duh! Obama was not in the US Senate, you're right. But, Obama did speak out against the war in 2002 and probably would of voted against it. Then again, if he was in the US Senate during that time frame and was fed a bunch of false information maybe he would have voted for it. I don't know. http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/warspeech.pdf
Guest kevinkirk Posted September 3, 2008 Posted September 3, 2008 If you think by pulling out of the foreign theatres of war that those nuts will leave us alone, you are as crazy as they are. They are either at your feet or at your throat.
Trav Posted September 3, 2008 Posted September 3, 2008 I wonder what an Elephonkey burger would taste like? "May success follow your every cast." - Trav P. Johnson
loo10 Posted September 3, 2008 Posted September 3, 2008 I haven't weighed in on this post yet but I think I will now. We are going to have either 4 years of a guy who we know where he stands or 4 years of a guy who we don't know where he stands. McCain was tortured and beat for 5+ years and still wouldn't turn on his country; even when most of us probably would have broke down. Obama has had relationships & connections with terrorists and hate mongers for years, he has muslim sympathy's and yet, tells us that those facts are meaningless and not to be considered. Do we believe what he does or what he says??? Who do I trust to do what he believes in his heart of hearts is best for his country? McCain. Rich Looten Springfield, Missouri "If people don't occasionally walk away from you shaking their heads, you're doing something wrong."- John Gierach
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