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[bigredbirdfan]

Meat and Dairy:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20080910/hl_t...balwarmingworse

http://www.dfwnetmall.com/earth/realistic-...consumption.htm

Enjoy this reading while you ruin the environment with your polluting meat sandwich.

[Al Agnew]

Thing is, the carbon restrictions and meat restrictions not only won't work well, but are not the only choice. The only real choice is to get off the fossil fuel economy by developing other sources of energy, as soon as possible.

As for cow farts, I look upon that as more of the "background" greenhouse gas sources. Before there were however many cows in North America that we have now, there was a pretty significant number of bison and other ungulates producing methane. Bison and elk were found all over the U.S. I think we're going to gradually see a reduction in meat production as lifestyles change, but I don't want nor expect there to be mandatory controls on it. I think that's just a scare tactic.

I see nuclear power as one part of the solution, hopefully a fairly short term one unless the waste problem can really be solved. The environmentalists who are opposed to nuclear power have valid concerns about the transport and disposal of waste, but personally I think it may be a gamble we have to take. Clean coal also has some promise to be a part of the solution short term, although I'd sure like to see a way to obtain the coal without tearing down ALL of the Appalachians and half of the West.

[Mark]

Missed you at the Midway on Monday, Al. We'll try again.

[Chief Grey Bear]

What policy makers really want is massive changes in our freedoms and if you don't believe that then drink Kool Aide and vote Obama.

I am looking for your source to the above babble. Sorry about that, I ment to say claim. Your source for the above claim. I forgot that you are now sensitive to remarks like that.

The sources you linked are not policy makers.

Please reread Al's post. Good, common sense post there.

[bigredbirdfan]

I am looking for your source to the above babble. Sorry about that, I ment to say claim. Your source for the above claim. I forgot that you are now sensitive to remarks like that.

The sources you linked are not policy makers.

Please reread Al's post. Good, common sense post there.

Will you be requesting sources on his claim of "ALL of the Appalachians and half of the West" or do you just concentrate on what you want? I thought the base belief of liberals is equality?? O I forgot hypocracy at the highest!

[Chief Grey Bear]

Well, I have been asking for, is your source to this comment:

" What policy makers really want is massive changes in our freedoms and if you don't believe that then drink Kool Aide and vote Obama."

This now is the 5th time I have asked for them. Nice stall tatic.

[Al Agnew]

The "ALL the Appalachians and half the West" was a bit of obvious hyperbole, but right now, enough mountains have been torn down in mountaintop removal coal mining in West Virginia to equal more than one whole WV county just in the actual land area of the mines, not to mention the streams buried. In the West, it isn't such a huge percentage of total land area, but landscape alterations there are even more obvious. And true clean coal technology is probably going to be expensive. It makes little sense to depend upon fossil fuels unless there is no other way to get the energy we need...no matter what, it's either dirty or it's expensive when we clean it.

I'm just danged glad the Ozarks aren't full of coal deposits.

[Chief Grey Bear]

Hey Al, I have been to Wyoming but, not to the coal fields. Here is a little something to toss around. When they were first exploited on a grand scale starting in the 1970's it was claimed that there was a 600+ year supply of coal. Now at current production rates, that has been cut to around 200 years the last I heard.

Now think of this. Every time you see a coal train coming down the rail, that is a mile + or -, of coal about 11 feet deep. The coal trains of today are mostly in the neighborhood of 135 cars. 6000 + feet of Wyoming terra firma. Now just imagin about 100 of these PER DAY coming from there.

We may not have coal, but what about lead? I know, or the last I heard was, that the Pea Ridge mine is shut down but what about the others? There was another large one around Salem that is also shut down too isn't it???? In my corner of the state all the lead is gone.

[bigredbirdfan]

Well, I have been asking for, is your source to this comment:

" What policy makers really want is massive changes in our freedoms and if you don't believe that then drink Kool Aide and vote Obama."

This now is the 5th time I have asked for them. Nice stall tatic.

I owe you nothing. You repeatedly don't answer my questions on other posts so guess what do your own investigating. I don't have time to hunt down the nut job's positions and how much money they have given to Obama. Your refuting of Obama's 2nd Amendment postions is quit impressive.

[bclift65706]

So continue burying your head in the sand and thinking everything is great and vote McCain.