jjtroutbum Posted May 2, 2009 Posted May 2, 2009 http://www.news-leader.com/article/2009050...+guilty+to+hunt Thought these were a pest. Seems like lots of other public areas (waterways)are legal to guide on or in. Article is missing much need valuable info. What say the members here? Anyone know anymore? Jon Joy ___________ "A jerk at one end of the line is enough." unknown author The Second Amendment was written for hunting tyrants not ducks. "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." Benjamin Franklin, 1759
jjtroutbum Posted May 2, 2009 Author Posted May 2, 2009 3 CSR 10-11.110 General Provisions: . . (7) Guiding for pay is prohibited on department areas. Just found this will read more later. Jon Joy ___________ "A jerk at one end of the line is enough." unknown author The Second Amendment was written for hunting tyrants not ducks. "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." Benjamin Franklin, 1759
taxidermist Posted May 2, 2009 Posted May 2, 2009 They should be paying him to take people out ot kill the hogs.
Chief Grey Bear Posted May 3, 2009 Posted May 3, 2009 I think we may be confusing Federal lands and MDC lands. MTNF is governed by the feds I believe. But either way I say shot all the ferral hogs you can. As far as the regs for guides, choose your wording carefully and state exactly what you are paying for. If you know what I mean. This could be interesting. I will have to do some more research on it. Chief Grey Bear Living is dangerous to your health Owner Ozark Fishing Expeditions Co-Owner, Chief Executive Product Development Team Jerm Werm Executive Pro Staff Team Agnew Executive Pro Staff Paul Dallas Productions Executive Pro Staff Team Heddon, River Division Chief Primary Consultant Missouri Smallmouth Alliance Executive Vice President Ronnie Moore Outdoors
Chief Grey Bear Posted May 4, 2009 Posted May 4, 2009 Well, with the high water this weekend, I had some time to do some looking around. I did find that all seasons for hunting and bag limits are published and enforced by the Missouri Department of Conservation. And this from the MDC site: Hunting regulations Feral hogs (see legal definition below) may be taken in any number throughout the year. During most of the year, no permit is required and any method, including baiting and the use of dogs, is allowed. However, special restrictions apply during the fall firearms deer and turkey hunting seasons. Please refer to the current Fall Deer and Turkey Hunting Regulations Information brochure. Make sure feral hogs are truly feral and not someone’s livestock. Hunters who kill marked domestic raised hogs can be held liable for damages. All Missouri Department of Natural Resources state park property is deemed a wildlife refuge and is off limits to all hunting and vehicle traffic. It is illegal to hunt on private property without the landowner’s permission. First-degree trespass offenses carry a $500 fine. If you wish to hunt on private land, always ask permission first. Landowners often post or define the land boundaries of their property by marking trees, fence posts and other perimeter objects with purple paint. In a court of law, such marked properties are deemed posted against all activities. Other legal considerations Missouri Revised Statute 270.260. Any person who knowingly releases any swine to live in a wild or feral state upon any public land or private land not completely enclosed by a fence capable of containing such animals is guilty of a class A misdemeanor. Each swine so released shall be a separate offense. Missouri Revised Statute 270.400. Killing of feral hogs is permitted when: For purposes of this section, the term "feral hog" means any hog, including Russian and European wild boar, that is not conspicuously identified by ear tags or other forms of identification and is roaming freely upon public or private lands without permission. A person may kill a feral hog roaming freely upon such person's land and shall not be liable to the owner of the hog for the loss of the hog. Any person may take or kill a feral hog on public land or private land with the consent of the landowner; except that, during the firearms deer and turkey hunting season the regulations of the Missouri wildlife code shall apply. Such person shall not be liable to the owner of the hog for the loss of such hog. No person except a landowner or such landowner's agent on such landowner's property shall take or kill a feral hog with the use of an artificial light. (Feral hog hunters may legally harvest any number, size and/or sex of feral hog.) Chief Grey Bear Living is dangerous to your health Owner Ozark Fishing Expeditions Co-Owner, Chief Executive Product Development Team Jerm Werm Executive Pro Staff Team Agnew Executive Pro Staff Paul Dallas Productions Executive Pro Staff Team Heddon, River Division Chief Primary Consultant Missouri Smallmouth Alliance Executive Vice President Ronnie Moore Outdoors
jjtroutbum Posted May 4, 2009 Author Posted May 4, 2009 But apparently it is illegal to be paid for any guided hunts of anything on any MDC managed property in Missouri. Jon Joy ___________ "A jerk at one end of the line is enough." unknown author The Second Amendment was written for hunting tyrants not ducks. "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." Benjamin Franklin, 1759
Chief Grey Bear Posted May 4, 2009 Posted May 4, 2009 Yeah I guess. I am glad you posted that. It is good info to know. I didn't know that. As broad as the rule is, it would seem to cover fishing guides also????? If so than I have a few more questions. Any thoughts to that????? Chief Grey Bear Living is dangerous to your health Owner Ozark Fishing Expeditions Co-Owner, Chief Executive Product Development Team Jerm Werm Executive Pro Staff Team Agnew Executive Pro Staff Paul Dallas Productions Executive Pro Staff Team Heddon, River Division Chief Primary Consultant Missouri Smallmouth Alliance Executive Vice President Ronnie Moore Outdoors
duckydoty Posted May 4, 2009 Posted May 4, 2009 But apparently it is illegal to be paid for any guided hunts of anything on any MDC managed property in Missouri. That is correct. The MDC ran into problems with that a few years ago on the duck hunting land that they manage. A Little Rain Won't Hurt Them Fish.....They're Already Wet!! Visit my website at.. Ozark Trout Runners
duckydoty Posted May 4, 2009 Posted May 4, 2009 Yeah I guess. I am glad you posted that. It is good info to know. I didn't know that. As broad as the rule is, it would seem to cover fishing guides also????? If so than I have a few more questions. Any thoughts to that????? It does cover fishing guides also. The only way it is possible at Taney is that it is Corps land. A Little Rain Won't Hurt Them Fish.....They're Already Wet!! Visit my website at.. Ozark Trout Runners
Gavin Posted May 4, 2009 Posted May 4, 2009 The US Forest Service, and National Park service require outfitters to apply for a permit to guide on their lands. After a permit is granted, the outfitter needs to share a percentage of their gross revenue and file an annual report with the agency that granted the permit. It appears that this guy didnt have a permit to guide hog hunts in the National Forest and he got caught doing it. Cheers.
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