Fun Fishing Terrestrials On Taneycomo

[fly2fish]

I think the intent of the rules need to be defined more clearly. I don't think the rule about plastic, live bait and scent was meant to prevent anglers from catching more fish with these baits but to prevent the fish from taking the bait deeply, after all this is the intent of the trophy area, to release fish unharmed that do not meet the length limits. I think an officer would have and should have the judgement if a bait or lure is fished in a way that would prevent a fish from being hooked deeply. I know that there are times that a fish will inhale a legal fly so deep that you need hemos or needle nose to reach it no matter how fast you were stripping it. The rules were established with the thinking that natural bait or scented plastics would be swallowed more deeply, but I don't see that bouncing an unscented plastic grub vs. a maribou jig would result in a higher mortality rate. To me the treble hooks on the (legal) hard plastic lures do more damage to the fish than any single hook artificial.

F2F

[Bman]

I think the intent of the rules need to be defined more clearly. I don't think the rule about plastic, live bait and scent was meant to prevent anglers from catching more fish with these baits but to prevent the fish from taking the bait deeply, after all this is the intent of the trophy area, to release fish unharmed that do not meet the length limits. I think an officer would have and should have the judgement if a bait or lure is fished in a way that would prevent a fish from being hooked deeply. I know that there are times that a fish will inhale a legal fly so deep that you need hemos or needle nose to reach it no matter how fast you were stripping it. The rules were established with the thinking that natural bait or scented plastics would be swallowed more deeply, but I don't see that bouncing an unscented plastic grub vs. a maribou jig would result in a higher mortality rate. To me the treble hooks on the (legal) hard plastic lures do more damage to the fish than any single hook artificial.

F2F

Good point, and on the treble hooks too.

[loo10]

I think I need a beetle made from jerky.

It's dried...

never heard of a trout eating any of it...

and if I'm running late... I got breakfast.

Maybe I can have it with my cup of unnatural coffee made from unnatural beans.

ha-ha-ha-haaaaaaaaa

Me so funny.

[Phil Lilley]

I think the intent of the rules need to be defined more clearly. I don't think the rule about plastic, live bait and scent was meant to prevent anglers from catching more fish with these baits but to prevent the fish from taking the bait deeply, after all this is the intent of the trophy area, to release fish unharmed that do not meet the length limits. I think an officer would have and should have the judgement if a bait or lure is fished in a way that would prevent a fish from being hooked deeply. I know that there are times that a fish will inhale a legal fly so deep that you need hemos or needle nose to reach it no matter how fast you were stripping it. The rules were established with the thinking that natural bait or scented plastics would be swallowed more deeply, but I don't see that bouncing an unscented plastic grub vs. a maribou jig would result in a higher mortality rate. To me the treble hooks on the (legal) hard plastic lures do more damage to the fish than any single hook artificial.

F2F

Excellent point.

[fly2fish]

I wonder if we can get some of Leonards "special coffee" beans.

[Phil Lilley]

I personally believe that there would be minimal impact by using a coffee bean with regards to smell. Trout can small but they are responding to the shape, coloration, and perhaps the sound of it hitting the water. Whatever smell that gets through the layer of glue is insigificant. I guess we can carve our own coffee beans out of wood, but I don't see that happening very much either. Then it also should be mentioned that encased in glue and paint, how is the agent going to know that it is a coffee bean in the fly? Is there a coffee bean field test kit? Does the agent have the authority to destroy the fly in order to determine what it is constructed out of? Or would this be considered unconstitiuional seizure? The coffee bean itself is composed mainly of lignin which is also the major carbohydrate in wood. Is there a defination for wood under the wildlife code as being from the bole of a tree and not any other structure that is composed mainly of lignin?

You said keep it going, so that is what I am doing.

Good point.

[Micheal Kyle]

Sounds like we might need to get some revisions of the rules and reg for the up coming years

[Phil Lilley]

You guys are great! I don't want to say anything as I want this to keep going.

I am in law enforcement and worked closely with the agents in my county. When I asked him about this today, he laughed and shook his head. I think you guys who are using your beans are safe. But the enforcers are different from one person to the other. I am generally fairly easy going unlike all of these new baby cops I got running around to want to hammer everyone they see.

In the meantime, I will keep listening if you could PLEASE keep this going.

Please carry on,

Jason

My point exactly. And I quote, "he laughed and shook his head."

I've been "baiting" you all a bit, making an argument that a coffee bean is not necessarily "natural"... they are. But, again, I point to intent. An agent would have to be a Barney Fife character to write a ticket on such a thing. I'd interject that the only way he'd write a ticket is if the angler was belligerent about the confrontation with the agent. Otherwise, I think they'd have a good laugh.

We fly fishers... we take ourselves WAY too seriously, don't we!?!?!?

Coffee Beans.

[Micheal Kyle]

Well I really dont know what to say except this was probally the best debate ever on this site. I do not think that anyone got mad and started name typing or typing anyone under the bus:D

Phil I would have kept debating you until I blue in the face about Natural vs. Non Natural as you could see I kept saying Natrual food source.

I will have to agree about the agents since I did say that in a couple of earlier post.

Great debate

[rangerman]

I talked with another agent and our regional supervisor here in Franklin County yesterday. A coffee bean is considered a food source and they both advised they would write someone for using it. After knowing these guys for awhile, I told them I thought this was horse@#$! and that is like me writing people for a taillight out. Then I started thinking about it, I have eaten chocolate covered coffee beans. Soooooooooo?