Greg Defour

[Bill Babler]

I am having trouble with getting and sending emails on the forum, they are just vanishing off my screen, as I am sending or writing them, so I will respond here to Greg DeFour, wanting information on fishing the Dam area.

Greg emailed that he owns a resort in that area, and is catching fish extremely well on a spoon and a drop shot. Good for you Greg.

Couple of weeks ago, I posted pic's of the jigs I am using on a thread, and how I am fishing them, but lets say from Cow Creek to Long Creek, here goes.

For me and the jig bite, early seems to be not only better or best, but only. Again, I believe this bite on most days, excluding cloudy, windy, rainey days is 1 hr. before daylight to most times about 7 Am. During these low light periods, I am throwing either a Chompers or Jewell 3/8th. I modify my jig and you can see it in the previous post. You DON'T NEED TO. I also really like the Jewell Spider jig. Cannot beat however Chompers live rubber skirt on their finess jig. I may steal a skirt or two and put them on the footballs.

Best color as always are pbj, watermellon candy, green pumpkin, or just plain brown. I am using twin tails from Chompers, Yum, and Yamamoto. I mix and match colores, don't believe it matters. On the trailers, I am really getting fed up and I know the perch and bass are with the Yama stuff, as one litle nip, and it is 1/2 gone or all gone. Just to expensive and to fragile. Very easy if I have two jig fisherman to go thru 2 or 3 bags in a day.

I am either crowding the deep long bluffends or long gravel point with my presentations. I will hop the jig down the bluffends or drag it on the flatter gravel stuff. Seems if I can get some chunk rock mixed in on the flat gravel all the better. Bite for me is 12 to 22 before sun-up and then start moving out. Best jig bite at the Dam Indian Point area for me has been that magic 16 ft. range early.

I am also targeting the rolloffs. These are areas, where you are fishing a depth no matter what it is, a gradual slope, and then it just breaks off and drops into the river channel. Fish most often hang on the break, and then later in the day, can just move off the bottom and suspend over the channel in these locations.

Best bite for sure in the dam area has been the drop shot. Hope this helps a little on the jig.

If any of you all are fishing a jig around the dam, please chime in what you are "CURRENTLY" using and how you are catching them. All information on this forum will be kept strictly confidential.

Greg, sorry about losing the email, but hope this helps

Good Luck

[wvu]

I am having trouble with getting and sending emails on the forum, they are just vanishing off my screen, as I am sending or writing them, so I will respond here to Greg DeFour, wanting information on fishing the Dam area.

Greg emailed that he owns a resort in that area, and is catching fish extremely well on a spoon and a drop shot. Good for you Greg.

Couple of weeks ago, I posted pic's of the jigs I am using on a thread, and how I am fishing them, but lets say from Cow Creek to Long Creek, here goes.

For me and the jig bite, early seems to be not only better or best, but only. Again, I believe this bite on most days, excluding cloudy, windy, rainey days is 1 hr. before daylight to most times about 7 Am. During these low light periods, I am throwing either a Chompers or Jewell 3/8th. I modify my jig and you can see it in the previous post. You DON'T NEED TO. I also really like the Jewell Spider jig. Cannot beat however Chompers live rubber skirt on their finess jig. I may steal a skirt or two and put them on the footballs.

Best color as always are pbj, watermellon candy, green pumpkin, or just plain brown. I am using twin tails from Chompers, Yum, and Yamamoto. I mix and match colores, don't believe it matters. On the trailers, I am really getting fed up and I know the perch and bass are with the Yama stuff, as one litle nip, and it is 1/2 gone or all gone. Just to expensive and to fragile. Very easy if I have two jig fisherman to go thru 2 or 3 bags in a day.

I am either crowding the deep long bluffends or long gravel point with my presentations. I will hop the jig down the bluffends or drag it on the flatter gravel stuff. Seems if I can get some chunk rock mixed in on the flat gravel all the better. Bite for me is 12 to 22 before sun-up and then start moving out. Best jig bite at the Dam Indian Point area for me has been that magic 16 ft. range early.

I am also targeting the rolloffs. These are areas, where you are fishing a depth no matter what it is, a gradual slope, and then it just breaks off and drops into the river channel. Fish most often hang on the break, and then later in the day, can just move off the bottom and suspend over the channel in these locations.

Best bite for sure in the dam area has been the drop shot. Hope this helps a little on the jig.

If any of you all are fishing a jig around the dam, please chime in what you are "CURRENTLY" using and how you are catching them. All information on this forum will be kept strictly confidential.

Greg, sorry about losing the email, but hope this helps

Good Luck

Hi Bill,

Thank you for the response, I'll give it a try.

Greg

[SKMO]

For what it's worth we have been fishing the 35-50'++ water the last couple weeks AT DAYBREAK. Shallow jig and topwater fish have been scarce, i.e. non existent. I am relating experiences from Shell Knob to KC.

Our only concern is getting run over in the dark as we are parked in the middle of the lake. Seems silly to hang junk in 45 feet of water a half mile from shore at 0500 but it works.

Like Bill B said work the roll-offs. Every cove (as you face it from the main lake) will have a shallow side and a deep side, right or left as you face it. Find the deep break side and look for where the bottom breaks suddenly, like from 24 to 40 feet in a boat length (as an example). I.E. underwater ledges or mini-bluffs.

Home in on these underwater breaks, the same abrupt structure can run for hundreds of feet or a mile, it is old geology. Seriously... look for abrupt vertical drops... fish hang out on these places

Stick with it and you will find some sweet spots where the fish hang out.

[rps]

SKMO - Buck Perry would be proud of you. Is Fishing Facts still alive as a magazine? Just googled it, and apparently it is although I haven't seen one on a news stand in a long time.

Some of the younger crowd may not get my references here. In the late 70's, early 80's, a small magazine, Fishing Facts, went national. It's POV was educational articles for fishermen to actually use, not travelogues. One of the authorities it often quoted was a scientific type fisherman named Buck Perry. His mantra was the fish would use structure (like roll offs) as a permanent base and that fishermen needed to find the break on the break to find the fish.

Sorry. I momentarily fell into lecture mode. You can have the thread back now.

[Champ188]

Just wanted to put in my 2 cents worth on Bill's point about trailers. I wouldn't call myself cheap, as I buy and use whatever works best. But I'm no big fan of Yamamoto stuff these days. Their trailers are often packaged haphazardly and the tails are so thin that after they sit crumpled in the package for a while, they're ruined. There is also the issue of the tails sticking together during the retrieve. For my purposes, the Yum doubletail is as good as it gets. And cheaper too. Also, for a smaller profile jig, I've had good success with Zoom's Creepy Crawler. I first discovered these when looking for a the best trailer to use on a jig for swimming around docks in the fall. It's great for that but also does a bang-up job on "dragging jigs" in finesse sizes (3/8ths or less). I've even had success with it when pitching a 5/16ths ballhead jig around docks.

[SKMO]

SKMO - Buck Perry would be proud of you.

The Spoon plug right?

That dates me I guess. I have 5 spoon plugs on my wall.

Most won't get it as we older farts might. Buck Perry = Spoonplug and structure fishing. Nothing new under the sun I guess.

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[Tearin Up Topwater]

Or if you ARE cheap like me, the Paca Chunk trailers from Bass Pro in PBJ and Watermelon Candy on a 1/2 oz Arkie

brown&purple/watermelon football jig from Walmart works very well. It's a beast!

What Bill said is exactly true of course. I tried this two weeks ago after he posted pics of the baits they were using and I was catching smallmouths by accident. They were all your standard 14" TRL bass but a helluva lot of fun. Chunk-rock/gravel transition type bank early in the morning.

[rps]

Yes, the spoon plug. Those things looked for ways to hang up. I am proud you still have several. Somewhere in the years mine went away.