Table Rock Residents ?

[Billfo]

Looking for someone in the know.. Possibly a resident of the Indian Creek area... Anyone know how far the Corp of Engineers "TAKE LINE" is ?

Thanks.. Billfo

[Jason Essary]

Which Indian Creek? baxter area or Indian Point?

[glennL]

you can go to the corp office down by the dam and they will zoom in on your property. The overhead photo will show the line. I've heard that it's 100' above normal pool, but I don't know that for sure.

The corp gave me a very nice looking picture from overhead of my property and showed the line clearly.

[Billfo]

Thank you for the reply, Big Indian Creek area (sw of Baxter)

Which Indian Creek? baxter area or Indian Point?

[skeeter]

After searching for a place for a considerable amount of time in the Big Indian area we discovered there is no "hard and fast" rule based on msl elevation nor common sense as to the Corps "take line". It's pretty much where they say it is.

For instance, we found two nice lots on top of a 28 foot high bluff (this was a measured 28' above normal pool of 915 msl) and luckily discovered one of the Corps' bronze and steel markers hammered into some exposed shelf rock. This was on TOP of the bluff exactly 175 feet back from the edge of the closest vertical drop. I wrote down the numbers you will find on these things, called the Corps office at the dam and the guy who answered the phone looked up the numbers and told us that in addition to that being (in our opinion) a ridiculous and extraordinary distance back from the edge of the bluff the area had been "re-zoned" by the Corps about five years ago which meant there was no chance of obtaining a vegetation modification permit allowing removal of anything under three inches in diameter. It seems there is a certain proximity to the Baxter Campground involved and they are trying (in their words) "to maintain a natural appearing shoreline for campground visitors". However, directly across Big Indian from the campground there are "mansions" built almost at water's edge. Plus a clear cut to the waterline area at an old resort that was sold off as individual cabins right down the shore from the campground. Some natural shoreline....what a crock ! Plus the Corps just completely re-vamped the Baxter campground ( not open yet ) spending almost a Million dollars and tearing the place up like you wouldn't believe. All in an effort to make it "friendly" for large RV's with hook-ups etc. and the hell with the family trying to save a buck and spend their vacation time in a tent. Also a crock !

You should also be aware that for about two or three shoreline miles either side of the Baxter Marina (on the same side of the lake ) you cannot have a new permit for a private dock. They don't want competition for the Marina owners but it is legal for the Marina to establish and lease "satellite docks" in that area so boat slip availability is very limited depending on space on those satellite docks.

[Billfo]

"Skeeter"..

Yes, I discovered what you said about the private docks. Trying to find a place WITH one is like finding gold... Would be nice though... you mention the trees UNDER 3".. Just curious, whats the fine ? I suppose both Little & Big Indian Creeks will be full of Jet Skis when the camp grounds open.. arrrgh.. No escape....

Thanks for the heads up..Bill

[skeeter]

Regarding the fine, we have been told by neighbors it's $10,000.00. Have never confirmed that as I have no intention of trying it out.

Personally we didn't want a dock and the constant upkeep hassle but I do miss not being able to sit on one, relax, and listen to the rain on the tin roof or just watch a bobber float on a quiet day.

[gitnby]

After searching for a place for a considerable amount of time in the Big Indian area we discovered there is no "hard and fast" rule based on msl elevation nor common sense as to the Corps "take line". It's pretty much where they say it is.

For instance, we found two nice lots on top of a 28 foot high bluff (this was a measured 28' above normal pool of 915 msl) and luckily discovered one of the Corps' bronze and steel markers hammered into some exposed shelf rock. This was on TOP of the bluff exactly 175 feet back from the edge of the closest vertical drop. I wrote down the numbers you will find on these things, called the Corps office at the dam and the guy who answered the phone looked up the numbers and told us that in addition to that being (in our opinion) a ridiculous and extraordinary distance back from the edge of the bluff the area had been "re-zoned" by the Corps about five years ago which meant there was no chance of obtaining a vegetation modification permit allowing removal of anything under three inches in diameter. It seems there is a certain proximity to the Baxter Campground involved and they are trying (in their words) "to maintain a natural appearing shoreline for campground visitors". However, directly across Big Indian from the campground there are "mansions" built almost at water's edge. Plus a clear cut to the waterline area at an old resort that was sold off as individual cabins right down the shore from the campground. Some natural shoreline....what a crock ! Plus the Corps just completely re-vamped the Baxter campground ( not open yet ) spending almost a Million dollars and tearing the place up like you wouldn't believe. All in an effort to make it "friendly" for large RV's with hook-ups etc. and the hell with the family trying to save a buck and spend their vacation time in a tent. Also a crock !

You should also be aware that for about two or three shoreline miles either side of the Baxter Marina (on the same side of the lake ) you cannot have a new permit for a private dock. They don't want competition for the Marina owners but it is legal for the Marina to establish and lease "satellite docks" in that area so boat slip availability is very limited depending on space on those satellite docks.

I have a vegetation permit, which I just renewed.

The rule is you can cut down any thing that is less than 2" in diameter at a height of 4.5 '.·

Trimming of trees is prohibited.

Unfortunately, that rules out most cedars, and they are the major 'view-blocker' down here.

No set $$ for the fines! My neighbor was fined $11,000 over 10 years ago, and supposedly that was the landscape value of the trees he cut down? In addition, they put a 10 year moratorium on the property. Just came up for review, and they turned down his request for a permit!

[Billfo]

What is a "vegetation permit" ? You are on Big Indian ? How far is your take-line & is that pretty uniform for all the "lake front" homes? I'd call the Corp of Engineers for clarification if we land a home there- but I'd rather fly inder the Corps radar (if ya know what I mean)..."Notice how I didnt ask about snakes "

Thanks for your time.. Bill

I have a vegetation permit, which I just renewed.

The rule is you can cut down any thing that is less than 2" in diameter at a height of 4.5 '.·

Trimming of trees is prohibited.

Unfortunately, that rules out most cedars, and they are the major 'view-blocker' down here.

No set $$ for the fines! My neighbor was fined $11,000 over 10 years ago, and supposedly that was the landscape value of the trees he cut down? In addition, they put a 10 year moratorium on the property. Just came up for review, and they turned down his request for a permit!

[rps]

You know, those chain saws are tricky. Sometimes they kick back at you and you have to swing around to save yourself. Of course that tree behind might suffer a bit. And once a saw starts to kick, it will often do it three or five times in succession.