eric1978 Posted August 13, 2010 Posted August 13, 2010 They're never going to be able to take away our right to hunt or eat meat and you know it. And for the record, I have NO problem whatsoever with hunters putting food on their table through ethical means of game harvest...I'm more concerned with clean shots than I am with high fences. I personally no longer hunt because I got to the point that I realized I simply don't like killing animals. But I'll continue to eat them even though I feel that way. I can't help it, I'm a human and I eat meat. I'll admit that PETA does some ridiculous things...this latest one with the fish is totally absurd. But you can't completely disregard the fact that in some cases PETA is right, and there are animal abuses occurring that are absolutely outrageous and should not be tolerated. It's not black and white with me, but I guess it is for some people.
Fly_Guy Posted August 13, 2010 Posted August 13, 2010 I hope you understand that without the Old Testament, there would be no New Testament. I love how the OT is the ugly step child that Christians just ignore and pretend isn't there because they can't rationalize the imorality of it. Matthew 5:17-20. According to Jesus, the OT law still applies. Jesus said that the law and the prophets was summed up in 'love God, and thy neighbor as thyself'. He fulfilled the law by doing this - abolishing the things that were symbolic (not eating 'unclean' things, vanquishing 'enemies' ect) and made it a personal thing of the heart for all people. I can't remember any non-Jews doing animal sacrifices according to the old law in the new testament. Back to fishing...?
Trout Commander Posted August 13, 2010 Posted August 13, 2010 The study that they are using is from tournament fish that have beat to death in a livewell all day. Thrown in a bag and hoisted up and shook around a little for the crowd. So by a very long shot there is a just a bit of truth in this. But these fish are not your typical C&R as we practice it and as they are trying to sell it. Thanks for that Chief. I knew it had to be about something very specific that they were blanketing ALL fishing with. I have spent most of my money on fly fishing and beer. The rest I just wasted. The latest Trout Commander blog post: Niangua River Six Pack
Members Carp E Diem Posted August 13, 2010 Members Posted August 13, 2010 Back to fishing...? I love how you start it with a dig against atheism (off topic), then have to get in the last word before deciding we should get back on topic. But, i agree, religion shouldn't have been brought up in the first place, this is a fishing forum. Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful.
Fly_Guy Posted August 13, 2010 Posted August 13, 2010 I don't recall any atheism digs... perhaps you confused me with another person? Sorry, if not.
Thunderin Gobbler Posted August 13, 2010 Posted August 13, 2010 Eric, I would agree with the fact that there is a lot of animal abuse going on. But the difference I am talking about is the hunting and fishing side of it. Puppy mills need to be regulated (or stopped), and that is one of the very few things I would agree with the animal rights activists on. As far as them being able to stop our hunting and fishing, don't think for a minute that it can't happen, because it has in some places in the country already. Just not here yet. The only way to stop it is for sportsmen to stick together and fight back when necessary.
Fly_Guy Posted August 13, 2010 Posted August 13, 2010 Eric, I would agree with the fact that there is a lot of animal abuse going on. But the difference I am talking about is the hunting and fishing side of it. Puppy mills need to be regulated (or stopped), and that is one of the very few things I would agree with the animal rights activists on. As far as them being able to stop our hunting and fishing, don't think for a minute that it can't happen, because it has in some places in the country already. Just not here yet. The only way to stop it is for sportsmen to stick together and fight back when necessary. When we had this guy in office, we didn't need to worry about it (nice hybrid Putin!) http://blogs.abcnews.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/07/02/bush_putin_fishing_2.jpg It is a fishing forum, but what other topic lends itself to religion and politics so easily on OA?
eric1978 Posted August 13, 2010 Posted August 13, 2010 As far as them being able to stop our hunting and fishing, don't think for a minute that it can't happen, because it has in some places in the country already. Just not here yet. The only way to stop it is for sportsmen to stick together and fight back when necessary. Certainly we need to stick together if our rights are being trampled on, but I haven't seen it. Yes, there have been some changes in regulations for commercial fishing, and there are good reasons for those changes. I'm not aware of any infringement on recreational fishing, except in some cases where regulations are established in order to protect a fishery, a habitat, or a species...also good reasons, which I fully support. I will not defend people who exploit nature or treat animals inhumanely simply because they call themselves sportsmen and they feel it is their "right" to do so. Case in point...when PETA protests against clubbing baby seals for their fur, I stand with them. So until I feel that we, the ethical sportmen, are being treated unfairly, I won't be marching on Washington. I see no threat at this point. I am free to float my streams and catch and release my smallmouth, and I'm free to shoot my deer or turkey or rabbit or squirrel if I choose, and any special interest group that pushes for legislation to take that right away from me will be met with such overwhelming opposition that it is no more than laughable. I'll stand shoulder to shoulder with you when the need arises. When we had this guy in office, we didn't need to worry about it (nice hybrid Putin!) I don't know how much impact he had on U.S. fishing and hunting regulations.
Fly_Guy Posted August 13, 2010 Posted August 13, 2010 haha - he didn't have much impact at all - it was just reassuring to have a fisherman in the white house. I think it was BassMaster that reported that while Bush Sr. was a laid back sea-kittenerman, Bush jr. was extremely focused and serious about it. I agree with eric tho - PETA has legit issues, and I agree with them on some things as well. I just cant believe they waste their time on the looney stuff like fishing...
Thunderin Gobbler Posted August 13, 2010 Posted August 13, 2010 You are right Eric, there is a big difference in the "ethical" sportsman and some of the commercial operations. I would never condone the clubbing of the baby seals, and I wouldn't expect anyone else to either. My biggest problem with PETA is that they are too extreme on most subjects. They do have some valid points, but I think they go way to far most of the time to be taken seriously by the public. The ones really believe them are the ones who are uneducated about what they are saying or simply don't take the time to do the research themselves. It's way too easy to believe what you hear, whether truth or not. I see it as my responsibility to educate the general public about the true impact hunting and fishing have on our country's fish and wildlife. That is why I am a MO Hunter Education Instructor, as well as a National Wild Turkey Federation chapter president.
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