I Am Certified For Cable Restraints..

[jdmidwest]

I attended and became certified for use of Cable Restraints today at Duck Creek. The class was presented by several professional members of the MDC and a trapper with alot of experience using the cable restraints. I attended for the sole purpose of controlling predators on the farm, coyotes and fox. The coyote population has exploded around the farm, and we have had predation of calves, chickens, ducks, and our horses have been bothered. Hunting has been a hit and miss venture since they move at night for the most part.

While most paint an ugly picture of trapping and restraints, it has a very important purpose in the wildlife management of MO. Since the introduction of Man in mass quantities, the balance of nature has been shifted. Problem animals feed on our crops and livestock. Fur prices have fell to where trapping is not that good of a living. But the animals need to be controlled to keep things healthy and in balance since our arrival. Trapping is an effective way to control them. And it is a very important part of the MO outdoorsman's heritage.

Cable restraints capture the animal alive and keep it humanely, without alot of stress, till the trap is checked daily. I was surprised to find out that there is a market for live coyotes and foxes on farms that run them for sport. The price they pay is alot more than the hide will bring. I feel it is the best solution for what I need at the time. I have trapped with leg hold and live traps, and have been pretty good at it. I look forward to this new adventure.

[redbud]

so you are saying that you would live trap an animal,sell it to a canned hunting reserve to be killed by a person that is just killing for fun.I fully understand your need to protect your livestock,but releasing these animals to be hunted for pleasure seems a little immoral to me. Why would you contribute to the spineless hunters that have to hunt captive animals?How much does a live coyote or fox bring?I know for a fact that the same people that run a captive killing zone in my area are the same people that own a disgusting puppymill.Do you really want to do business with them?Seems to me that there must be some other alternative.

[denjac]

Another way is to buy a predator call. Early mornings and evenings. I used to call coyotes and it was a blast having them charge in on you.

[FishinCricket]

Lol, this looks like a fun one... I grew up hunting and fishing the ozarks hills, but it's been a while and my views have changed a bit..

Denjac: good advice for an experienced hunter... And a good way to get your blood pressure rising.. lol

JD, I've always known you were easily certifiable...

Seriously though, do you sedate them after trapping them? Do you transport, or does the company you sell them to?

... hunted for pleasure.....

Just thinking out loud... I don't know one hunter that doesn't derive at least a little pleasure/satisfaction from "the hunt"... But (and I can only speak for myself and maybe the people who know my heart) I can't say I enjoy "the kill". I have a deep respect for it, a reverence even..

It's my assumption that most hunters feel the same as me, to some degree or other.

Just a point to ponder I suppose.. It's hard for me to imagine any hunter as being the "bloodthirsty, crazed ingnernt inbred that's just after the antlers" or something... lol

Seems to me that there must be some other alternative.

Okay.. Let's hear it?

[Thom]

I can see where all of you are coming from but if the animals are going to die anyway????

I have to chuckle a bit when I go to the store and see the little section of chicken displayed in the meat case which has a label on it saying: " Chickens humanely raised and killed" I am sure that makes the chickens much happier when they finally die to know that someone really cared enough to put a little tag on their package when they were sold. I know for sure that the 5 cent tag makes the butcher much happier when he gets a 20% mark up on the price for the so called organic, range raised, stress free chicken. Their eventual conscience ridden purcusers cared enough to spend the very best. I wondered if they sent a Hallmark card to the chicken farm owners to post on the barn.

[Outside Bend]

Good luck with it JD- that's one thing I've always been meaning to do, but haven't.

I have to chuckle a bit when I go to the store and see the little section of chicken displayed in the meat case which has a label on it saying: " Chickens humanely raised and killed" I am sure that makes the chickens much happier when they finally die to know that someone really cared enough to put a little tag on their package when they were sold. I know for sure that the 5 cent tag makes the butcher much happier when he gets a 20% mark up on the price for the so called organic, range raised, stress free chicken. Their eventual conscience ridden purcusers cared enough to spend the very best. I wondered if they sent a Hallmark card to the chicken farm owners to post on the barn.

If a 20% price markup is what it takes to get away from Tyson style CAFOs, keep small farmers in independent business (not simply underpaid, undervalued babysitters for a large conglomerate's stock), and reform the average American's generally poor eating habits...

I'm game.

[jdmidwest]

so you are saying that you would live trap an animal,sell it to a canned hunting reserve to be killed by a person that is just killing for fun.I fully understand your need to protect your livestock,but releasing these animals to be hunted for pleasure seems a little immoral to me. Why would you contribute to the spineless hunters that have to hunt captive animals?How much does a live coyote or fox bring?I know for a fact that the same people that run a captive killing zone in my area are the same people that own a disgusting puppymill.Do you really want to do business with them?Seems to me that there must be some other alternative.

I don't think they kill them on most places, they just run their dogs and train them. Fox hunting is an ancient sport brought over from the old country I believe. I don't think the fox survives. They are managed and licensed by the State Of Missouri.

The coyotes I trap are ones that need to be eliminated, they will not leave the trap alive. I have a different purpose for my methods. I was just surprised that they could actually trap alive and transport a wild animal with no damage using only a 5 foot cable.

As far as preserve hunting, not my kind of thing. I know of guys that pay top dollar to hunt a bunch of quail and pheasants raised in a pen and released for their hunt, but not me. We used to have quail on the farm, but the foxes, coyotes, and bobcats seem to get rid of them for me. Hence, the trapping thing.

If you have a problem with disgusting puppies, I suppose I can use my newly acquired training and help you catch some. We would have to contact the local MDC agent to approve nuisance animal removal.

[redbud]

I guess you think you are funny,you are not.I dont have a problem with puppies,I have a problem with people that abuse animals. If you dont know what a puppymill is educate yourself. People like you are part of the problem.I am part of the solution,I own a vet clinic and have to deal with sick, often terminal pups that are sold by these mills.Fox hunting has been outlawed in "the old country" for several years.Educate yourself.Just because your pawpaw's pa did it doesnt make it right.Educate yourself.

[jdmidwest]

I guess you think you are funny,you are not.I dont have a problem with puppies,I have a problem with people that abuse animals. If you dont know what a puppymill is educate yourself. People like you are part of the problem.I am part of the solution,I own a vet clinic and have to deal with sick, often terminal pups that are sold by these mills.Fox hunting has been outlawed in "the old country" for several years.Educate yourself.Just because your pawpaw's pa did it doesnt make it right.Educate yourself.

I personally don't see why anyone has to keep a dog in the house, therefore I don't see a need for puppymills. But, it seems like you make a living off the sick puppies or do you do it "pro bono"?

By the way, my Pawpaw's Pa did not keep animals in the house either, but we did raise coon hounds. We used them for hunting coon.

[redbud]

You really are clueless.A puppymill is not a nice place.Like I said before,educate yourself,or is it to late for that.I would be happy to never see another sick and dying litter of pups.Dogs are kept in small cages their entire lives having as many puppies as possible before they die.Some of our work is pro bono but the majority of our clients are paying customers that have house pets.We do a lot of work with animal shelters and rescue organizations.I sure dont make a living treating parvo .If you dont know what that is look it up .There is loads of information on the internet.By the way,if you had a couple of dogs outside the pests you refer to would be scarce.Did your pawpaw spay and neuter his pets,did the coon hounds have their vaccines ?Did they run wild and breed everything in the area,or were they chained to a tree?You can tell alot about a man by the way he treats his animals.