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[Justin Spencer]

I find it ironic how people pick and choose what kinds of animals they feel bad about abusing. Unless you are a vegetarian (which I am not!) then you contribute to the problem by eating chickens, beef and pork that are raised in feedlots and crowded barns. In my opinion this is some of the worst animal abuse, as can be seen by antibiotics being pumped into the feed just to keep these animals alive long enough to be slaughtered. Fortunatly I have the ability to raise my own cattle, sheep and chickens which I do so without antibiotics or grain which results in a much healthier product. By slaughtering on my farm, my animals are killed doing what they love (eating) and never see it coming. For those who are animal advocates you should look for grass "finished" beef, or buy free range chickens and pork. These products are raised in a humane manner and while many still must go to the slaughterhouse to be killed, they live a normal life until then. You will pay a higher price for these products but if you are complaining about what hunters might do, take a look at yourself and put your money where your mouth is. If you are already doing so, good job. If not, I don't care, just take a look in the mirror and make sure you are not being hypocritical. By the way, I still like to go out and order a big fat grain fed steak every once in a while (sorry cows!).

[denjac]

Yeh, puppy mills are a problem, but until we spoiled Americans stop paying $500.- $3000. for a puppy in a pet store it will continue. I do know the market has dropped and alot of them are out of buisness now. I used to raise and hunt coondogs, it was part of my income back in the 70's. They were always up to date on vacines and well tended to. I did not spay or neuter my coon hounds as I thought it affected there hunting and made them less valuable for the ones I sold. Talk about parvo did you ever see it run rappent through the coon population? I have and would find them dead always around some source of water.

[jdmidwest]

You really are clueless.A puppymill is not a nice place.Like I said before,educate yourself,or is it to late for that.I would be happy to never see another sick and dying litter of pups.Dogs are kept in small cages their entire lives having as many puppies as possible before they die.Some of our work is pro bono but the majority of our clients are paying customers that have house pets.We do a lot of work with animal shelters and rescue organizations.I sure dont make a living treating parvo .If you dont know what that is look it up .There is loads of information on the internet.By the way,if you had a couple of dogs outside the pests you refer to would be scarce.Did your pawpaw spay and neuter his pets,did the coon hounds have their vaccines ?Did they run wild and breed everything in the area,or were they chained to a tree?You can tell alot about a man by the way he treats his animals.

Redbud, what part of this conversation did you not understand about me and dogs? Most people can't raise their kids, much less an animal. But it seems like everyone has to have several house dogs now. That is what drives the puppy mills. If people did not feel the need to have several house dogs that they let out and let run uncontrolled in all of their neighbors yards, you would not have puppy mills. Is it clear on my opinion about people and dogs? If there are less pets, then your business suffers, so in effect, you feed the problem.

We raised coon hounds in kennels with nice open runs. They were trained and controlled and cared for very well, just like other livestock on our farm. What did your pawpaws pa do?

[redbud]

Puppymills are a product of mans greed.There are good breeders out there who take very good care of the animals that they sell.Millions of people in this country dont share your views.They love their pets and provide proper care for them.My clinic is prosperous because people love their pets not because puppymills are still in existence.The whole point of my reply was to illustrate your immoral ideals that a live animal will bring more than a skin. It is sad to think that there are still attitudes like yours.My great grandfather was the only doctor in town at the time,he was an educated man whom everyone loved.He often took payment in the form of livestock that he had no need for.He didnt need another hog so they would be donated to some other needy family .He traveled many miles to do house calls mostly to deliver babies. Every photograph I have seen him in he is with his dogs.Im fairly sure that your pawpaws pa would have respected him.

If you think my clinic is part of the problem ,you really are misinformed.Tell yourself whatever you need to feel better.

I think I have wasted enough time on this,I have an appointment to keep.

[ozark trout fisher]

Redbud, what part of this conversation did you not understand about me and dogs? Most people can't raise their kids, much less an animal. But it seems like everyone has to have several house dogs now. That is what drives the puppy mills. If people did not feel the need to have several house dogs that they let out and let run uncontrolled in all of their neighbors yards, you would not have puppy mills. Is it clear on my opinion about people and dogs? If there are less pets, then your business suffers, so in effect, you feed the problem.

"We raised coon hounds in kennels with nice open runs. They were trained and controlled and cared for very well, just like other livestock on our farm. What did your pawpaws pa do?"

Okay, now you're going off against people who own pets?

I understand that the people who buy dogs at pet stores drive the puppy mills so that's not where I get them. Instead I have gotten all of my dogs at the Humane Society where all the dummies who do buy their dogs at the pet stores drop them off to be put down more than likely.

"We raised coon hounds in kennels with nice open runs. They were trained and controlled and cared for very well, just like other livestock on our farm. What did your pawpaws pa do?"

Dogs aren't livestock JD, not in the United States.

[jdmidwest]

Okay, now you're going off against people who own pets?

I understand that the people who buy dogs at pet stores drive the puppy mills so that's not where I get them. Instead I have gotten all of my dogs at the Humane Society where all the dummies who do buy their dogs at the pet stores drop them off to be put down more than likely.

"We raised coon hounds in kennels with nice open runs. They were trained and controlled and cared for very well, just like other livestock on our farm. What did your pawpaws pa do?"

Dogs aren't livestock JD, not in the United States.

I have went off on irresponsible pet owners that fail to control their animals and let them run wild on other peoples property before, I don't think I have to rehash that one. It is the owners fault, not the animals. You know the ones if you have gotten animals from a shelter.

Our dogs were bought and sold, trained for a purpose of hunting to produce an income of coon pelts, kept and cared for just like any other animal on the farm. They never entered the house, they never run free other than for hunting, and could be traded off at any time, so we avoided emotional attachment. We did take pride in our breeding quality and showed them several times where they took top honors and blue ribbons. They were papered and registered. But so are our horses, our pigs, and our cattle. They were livestock, not family pets.

[jdmidwest]

The whole point of my reply was to illustrate your immoral ideals that a live animal will bring more than a skin. It is sad to think that there are still attitudes like yours.

I think you missed the point on that one too but I guess I did not make that part clear enough. I was amazed that someone was going to go thru the trouble to catch a nuisance coyote and keep it alive. I plan on killing the ones I catch to keep from having the problems that has driven me to control them. I am not going to sell the hide or the animal. Personally, I have a thing about skinning a dog. If the coyote has a nice pelt and is not mangy, I will give it to a fellow trapper to skin for his own personal use and profit.

[Mark]

Just a few thoughts:

What's the difference between people that hunt on private reserves that shoot animals that are released and fishing at the trout parks where fish are dumped by the truckload (which I have never understood "What is the sport in that?").

Maybe a better solution for the guy with the fox and coyote problem. Make an offer to some local hunters to come in and hunt the foxes and coyotes.

I would love to eat nothing but free range beef, pork, and chicken, but is that possible now a days? Well, pigs have always been a filthy animal, which is why some religions don't eat pork. But man I love bacon, chops, BBQ pork steaks, and sausage.

[FishinCricket]

Just a few thoughts:

What's the difference between people that hunt on private reserves that shoot animals that are released and fishing at the trout parks where fish are dumped by the truckload (which I have never understood "What is the sport in that?").

Maybe a better solution for the guy with the fox and coyote problem. Make an offer to some local hunters to come in and hunt the foxes and coyotes.

I would love to eat nothing but free range beef, pork, and chicken, but is that possible now a days? Well, pigs have always been a filthy animal, which is why some religions don't eat pork. But man I love bacon, chops, BBQ pork steaks, and sausage.

Mmmmm, bacon....

Sorry, what were we talking about?

[Chief Grey Bear]

Just a few thoughts:

What's the difference between people that hunt on private reserves that shoot animals that are released and fishing at the trout parks where fish are dumped by the truckload (which I have never understood "What is the sport in that?").

A couple thousand dollars.