Divers Take Note

[lee G.]

Cricket neither of those sites said they were going to reduce emmisions.

They really cant, can they, with the goals of becoming major powers.

[Outside Bend]

Outside, are China and India moving to reduced emissions?

Yes, as are many other nations. We could be producing and selling them the technology to do so. That's my point.

It's plastics.

[lee G.]

Oh, I agree with you OB, as to the producing and selling.

Its the overall pollution thats my concern.

[lee G.]

And as to the reduction of emmisions claimed by China and India, and others, do you trust their goverments more than ours?

Just saying a pol is a pol, lol

[Tim Smith]

And as to the reduction of emmisions claimed by China and India, and others, do you trust their goverments more than ours?

Just saying a pol is a pol, lol

Policy is never tidy, but it can make a big difference without being perfect.

CFC regulations are violated everywhere (especially in China and the US), but the Toronto accords work well enough that the ozone hole is beginning to close up again...

...just as the Clean Water Act is regularly violated but rivers are in vastly better shape than they were 40 years ago.

Just as a sideline...I was just in Texas. They are apparently the only state who has refused to set state CO2 regulations for their powerplants since the US Supreme Court decision in 2007 the CO2 is a pollutant and covered by the Clean Air Act. It looks like Texas will be going back to court to avoid enforcing regulations. According to the report I heard yesterday, the Texas lawyers will be arguing the case on the grounds that they can't MEASURE CO2, not that greenhouse gases aren't a problem.

Hmmm. Could it be that those lawyers realize they'll end up filleted and grilled if they try to take the denial case into a group of people who will actually fact check their arguments (even on a court stacked with Bush appointees)? Absolutely.

Gator, mi dah-tah, it has already been pointed out to you what kinds of scientists (ones who study the topic) who affirm global warming and the kinds of scientists (minorities of scientists in other fields) who don't. You didn't bother to address that points and I really can't help you.