Fishing Hurts - Peta Link on OA Homepage

[Brian Sloss]

You have to know the Bin Laden thing is as crazy an assertion as PETA is in most all their causes, and to put it out on the forum saying I just read it somewhere ...well it doesn't take much of a step to see what you were implying. That being said, PETA is a silly group that I don't support and never will.

[gonefishin]

You have to know the Bin Laden thing is as crazy an assertion as PETA is in most all their causes, and to put it out on the forum saying I just read it somewhere ...well it doesn't take much of a step to see what you were implying. That being said, PETA is a silly group that I don't support and never will.

Brian: I dont know what I have done to offend you but, if you will read back through the posts you will see that MTM said they (PETA) had been invistigated by the FBI on several occasions. That prompted me to remember reading an article, I believe it was in Guns and Ammo, saying that they were linked. I only mentioned it in reference to his post. You have taken it out of context and have taken offence for some reason. Why you have taken offence in reference to a group that by your own admission you dont care for nor support would suggest that you are upset about something else so, I hope you will accept my apology for what ever it is I have done to offend you.

[gonefishin]

You have to know the Bin Laden thing is as crazy an assertion as PETA is in most all their causes, and to put it out on the forum saying I just read it somewhere ...well it doesn't take much of a step to see what you were implying. That being said, PETA is a silly group that I don't support and never will.

FBI Papers Show Terror Inquiries Into PETA; Other Groups Tracked

By Spencer S. Hsu

Washington Post Staff Writer

Tuesday, December 20, 2005; Page A11

FBI counterterrorism investigators are monitoring domestic U.S. advocacy groups engaged in antiwar, environmental, civil rights and other causes, the American Civil Liberties Union charged yesterday as it released new FBI records that it said detail the extent of the activity.

The documents, disclosed as part of a lawsuit that challenges FBI treatment of groups that planned demonstrations at last year's political conventions, show the bureau has opened a preliminary terrorism investigation into People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, the well-known animal rights group based in Norfolk.

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CCF Tells Senate: PETA Supports Terrorism

From ConsumerFreedom.com

May 18, 2005

The Center for Consumer Freedom testified today before the Senate's Environmental and Public Works committee that highly visible tax-exempt groups including People for the Ethical Treatment for Animals (PETA), the Humane Society of the United States (HSUS), and the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine (PCRM) have ties to violent organizations like the Animal Liberation Front (ALF) and the Earth Liberation Front (ELF).

Those who engage in "direct action" crimes, such as starting fires, detonating bombs, threatening lives, and stalking innocent people, receive demonstrable cooperation and assistance-both rhetorical and financial-from an above-ground support system. Today I'd like to walk you through some of our findings in this regard.

A good place to start is No Compromise, a self-described "militant, direct action magazine" for ALF supporters. In 1999, No Compromise published a list of its benefactors, which included People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA), the Fund for Animals, In Defense of Animals, and the New Jersey Animal Rights Alliance-all groups with 501©(3) federal tax exemptions. The list also included PETA's president and two other PETA officers, and an activist now on the staff of the Humane Society of the United States (HSUS).

[gonefishin]

I interviewed Jen McClure, PETA’s Media Liaison, and concluded it would have been easier to get a straight answer out of Al-Qaeda. When questioned about certain facts, I was struck by her stark evasiveness. For example, it had been rumored that PETA had contributed defense money to the notorious domestic terrorist group ELF. The Earth Liberation Front is known for blowing up buildings, medical research labs and budding development communities. The FBI has estimated that ELF has committed more than 600 criminal acts in the United States since 1996, resulting in damages in excess of 43 million dollars. Naturally, it would be unthinkable to assume that PETA money was going to finance domestic terrorism, however, when asked if “PETA directly or indirectly donated money to the Earth Liberation Front (ELF)” McClure, at first, refused to answer. Later, after checking with her superiors she stated, “PETA has no involvement with alleged ELF actions.” Then, in a propaganda spiel worthy of Baghdad Bob, she went on to define terrorism as the “violence inflicted on billions of animals annually in the meat, dairy, experimentation, tobacco, fur, leather, and circus industries.” Or, some would say, in PETA’s animal shelters.

[Brian Sloss]

You have not offended me at all so no apology needed and I am sorry if I have offended you in the least. It just that even though I think PETA is a misguided organization, I don't believe that putting them on the level or even the same breath as an Osama Bin Laden is fair when discussing the legitimacy of a nonprofit organization. They have thrown fake blood on people with furs and done stupid cartoons about Daddy fishing. Offensive and stupid, yes. Even a misdomeaor in regard to their actions regarding fur. But they don't ram airplanes into the world trade center buildings. My point was to keep the debate in perspective. Idiots: yes they are. World class terrorists: No they are not. I'm sorry if I took what you said out of context, but it seemed to be an extreme statement at the time and it didn't seem to be a fair statement. I am not losing any sleep about this subject and I shouldn't have posted anything, I just saw what I thought to be an unfair characterization and tried to put it back in perspective. When it is implied that PETA is tied to Bin Laden, it makes those comparing the two just as outragous as the PETA causes. It just doesn't help the arguement against PETA. Now I'm going to click on the PETA link and make Phil 50 cents or whatever it is. No offense intended.

[Terry Beeson]

Did my $5 worth today.... anyone else helping make Phil a rich man?

[gonefishin]

You have not offended me at all so no apology needed and I am sorry if I have offended you in the least. It just that even though I think PETA is a misguided organization, I don't believe that putting them on the level or even the same breath as an Osama Bin Laden is fair when discussing the legitimacy of a nonprofit organization. No offense intended.

Brian: In general I am not easily offended. I understand what you are saying now and you are right I should have been more descriptive in my post. I agree PETA is not anywhere in the same class as Al Quida or any such terrorist group. The link that was mentioned was a money flow link to violent terriorist groups and possibly even to Al Quida. At the time I made the post I wasnt really thinking about discussing the legitimacy of the nonprofit organization. It was just a quick reply to a previous post.

Have a good one.

[Wayne SW/MO]

Will someone please tell me how they keep there Tax Free status?

My question also? At one time they openly admitted to donating money to ELF, but when the FBI said ELF was a domestic terrorist they dropped the claim.

If you go online and try to trace their money you find that it weaves in and out of various organizations.

They did manage to get the clothes off of Pamela Anderson and the Dixie Clucks, or so I'm told.

[gonefishin]

Did my $5 worth today.... anyone else helping make Phil a rich man?

Heh heh. I am doing my part. I have clicked on it every day since I noticed it.

My question also? At one time they openly admitted to donating money to ELF, but when the FBI said ELF was a domestic terrorist they dropped the claim.

If you go online and try to trace their money you find that it weaves in and out of various organizations.

They did manage to get the clothes off of Pamela Anderson and the Dixie Clucks, or so I'm told.

Pamela Anderson without clothes is a lot like Africa, everyone knows its there but to most it really isn't all that interesting. The Dixie chicks.... now that is a different story all together.

[MTM]

I wouldn't touch either party. One has more fake thing's on her than a kid at Holloween and the other party's have a mouth you could park a Mack Truck in Ron