SilverMallard Posted July 30, 2006 Posted July 30, 2006 It isn't a matter of fly vs. jig or spinning vs. flyrod. It's a matter of barbless hooks, proper catch-n-release technique (if releasing fish), and fishing within the slot regs and limit. The only other "issues" I have with some...not all...spin fishermen are: 1. If you're in a boat, running all the way up through the wade fishermen on 1 generator kills fish and seriously disrupts wade fishermen's fishing. 2. Some "zebco warriors" (not many serious anglers) don't understand or respect the space required for fly fishing. They'll walk up right next to a fly angler the same way they would if he was casting a spinning outfit. Both the casting and the drift take a lot more space with a flyrod. Just watch for a few minutes and you will see very plainly where his/her "space" is. Finally, release all the fish caught on crankbaits you want to, but if you're using barbed hooks most of them will die soon after being released. Now, some fly anglers don't debarb their hooks, either. I know. This message is for them also. But flies are not swallowed. They lip hook. So it's not AS bad. Crankbaits tend to gill hook and bait gets swallowed. If you go barbless in ALL methods, you will dramatically increase survivability of released fish. Do not handle trout by the gills if you aren't keeping them! Don't keep them out of the water any longer than absolutely necessary. When fishing barbless, keep light pressure on the fish at all times by keeping your rod tip up and you will not lose fish over it. But a LOT more will survive the experience. SilverMallard "How little do my countrymen know what precious blessings they are in possession of - and which no other people on Earth enjoy." Thomas Jefferson (This disclaimer is to state that any posts of a questionable nature are to be interpreted by the reader at their own peril. The writer of this post in no way supports the claims made in this post, or takes resposibility for their interpretations or uses. It is at the discretion of the reader to wrestle through issues of sarcasm, condescension, snobbery, lunacy, left and or right wing conspiracies, lying, cheating, wisdom, enlightenment, or any form of subterfuge contained herein.)
Members FliTrap4 Posted July 30, 2006 Members Posted July 30, 2006 Yep! Amen, Silver Mallard! As far as using other gear instead of Fly Fishing, as long as you you're not snagging up my line, I don't care! But then, I've stood around some fly flippen guys and gals and had my line dredged up! And if you do get into a line, (spin gear or fly gear!!!!!) smile, say "i'm sorry', and tip your hat! Stop as soon as you realize the snag and see who can best untangle it all! Don't go halling a line all the way to you just because you can! You may wanna work a bit in the other direction on the next cast! Most of all, have fun! FliTrap
crappiefisherman Posted July 30, 2006 Posted July 30, 2006 Im a mitchel 308 warrior, and I actually know how to use it.I am just amazed, by the plethora of informtion you have, you have anytime to fish. [ [
Root Admin Phil Lilley Posted July 30, 2006 Root Admin Posted July 30, 2006 If you go barbless in ALL methods, you will dramatically increase survivability of released fish. MDC does not agree with you. Fishery biologist Mike Kruse told me research shows using barbless hooks has little affect on a fishery. If it did, they would implement the rule.
gonefishin Posted July 30, 2006 Posted July 30, 2006 2. Some "zebco warriors" (not many serious anglers) don't understand or respect the space required for fly fishing. They'll walk up right next to a fly angler the same way they would if he was casting a spinning outfit. Both the casting and the drift take a lot more space with a flyrod. Just watch for a few minutes and you will see very plainly where his/her "space" is. I fish both Fly Rod and Spinning and have rods and reels of various name brands. In spinning equipment I think I prefer Garcia so I reckon that makes me a Garcia Warrior when I am spin fishing. Anyway I totally disagree with your sentiment about respecting space. It has been my observation that fly fishermen tend to disrespect the fishing zone of anyone not fly fishing a lot more than otherwise. Last week I fished both fly rod and spinning at Bennett. While fly fishing I did not have one incident where a spinning fisherman messed up my fishing space. When I switched to the spinning rig I had two separate incidences where fly fishermen delibertley waded right in front of me and blocked my fishing zone. I spoke to both of these fishermen but they both ignored me and acted like I wasn't there. I didnt want a confrontation so I moved a little bit and cast out again. This seemed to appease the first fly fisherman but didnt work with the second. Within a couple of minutes the second fly fisherman had cast over the top of my line and tangled up in me. He acted like I done something wrong so I cut my line and untangled the mess. I retied and cast out again just to have the same thing happen again. Again I cut my line and untangled the mess only this time I walked away and sat on a bench in the shade. I was watching the people fish and noticed the fly fisherman make about two more short casts then walk off and start the same process all over again in front of another spinning fisherman. Why he was doing this I don't know but it is obvious he was targeting spinning fishermen, not trout. I would rather be fishin'. "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." Benjamin Franklin, 1759
Members Flyfishing Buddha Posted July 30, 2006 Members Posted July 30, 2006 I to have noticed this type of behavior at Bssp. When I flyfish no one messes with me but if I change to Spin fishing The hardcore flyfisherman seem to make it a point to drift into my fishing lane. I had this happen on more then one occasion. Why can't we all just get along. There is enough stream for all of us.
SilverMallard Posted July 30, 2006 Posted July 30, 2006 MDC does not agree with you. Fishery biologist Mike Kruse told me research shows using barbless hooks has little affect on a fishery. If it did, they would implement the rule. MDC doesn't command a lot of respect in the fish mortality world. They also insist that spinning wing decoys don't increase duck mortality, when every other state agency and gov't study says otherwise. They're very good at a lot of things. But the are VERY "loose" when it comes to means and methods. I fish both Fly Rod and Spinning and have rods and reels of various name brands. In spinning equipment I think I prefer Garcia so I reckon that makes me a Garcia Warrior when I am spin fishing. Anyway I totally disagree with your sentiment about respecting space. It has been my observation that fly fishermen tend to disrespect the fishing zone of anyone not fly fishing a lot more than otherwise. Last week I fished both fly rod and spinning at Bennett. While fly fishing I did not have one incident where a spinning fisherman messed up my fishing space. When I switched to the spinning rig I had two separate incidences where fly fishermen delibertley waded right in front of me and blocked my fishing zone. I spoke to both of these fishermen but they both ignored me and acted like I wasn't there. I didnt want a confrontation so I moved a little bit and cast out again. This seemed to appease the first fly fisherman but didnt work with the second. Within a couple of minutes the second fly fisherman had cast over the top of my line and tangled up in me. He acted like I done something wrong so I cut my line and untangled the mess. I retied and cast out again just to have the same thing happen again. Again I cut my line and untangled the mess only this time I walked away and sat on a bench in the shade. I was watching the people fish and noticed the fly fisherman make about two more short casts then walk off and start the same process all over again in front of another spinning fisherman. Why he was doing this I don't know but it is obvious he was targeting spinning fishermen, not trout. Well, as long as we're whipping them out for comparison, my spinning rigs are Abu Garcias and Shimanos. Cost more than most of my fly rods too. But I fail to see what that has to do with anything. When I say Zebco Warriors I am referring to the typical tourist with a cheap Zebco he just bought at Wal-Mart so he could try out this trout fishing thing while he's in town. Nothing wrong with that if he learns the rules and ettiquette and pays attention to what's going on around him. If the shoe fits, fellas...if it don't, why take offense? Also, just because some knucklehead buys a fly rod doesn't mean he's anything different than that Zebco Warrior. There are plenty of idiots with fly rods too. I never said there weren't. But you just described why I don't fish trout parks or the outlets much. SilverMallard "How little do my countrymen know what precious blessings they are in possession of - and which no other people on Earth enjoy." Thomas Jefferson (This disclaimer is to state that any posts of a questionable nature are to be interpreted by the reader at their own peril. The writer of this post in no way supports the claims made in this post, or takes resposibility for their interpretations or uses. It is at the discretion of the reader to wrestle through issues of sarcasm, condescension, snobbery, lunacy, left and or right wing conspiracies, lying, cheating, wisdom, enlightenment, or any form of subterfuge contained herein.)
SilverMallard Posted July 30, 2006 Posted July 30, 2006 Im a mitchel 308 warrior, and I actually know how to use it.I am just amazed, by the plethora of informtion you have, you have anytime to fish. See my above "whip it out for comparison" comment. I know how to use them too. Been fishing spinning gear for crappie and smallies since I was about 8 years old. Yeah, I do have a lot of information. Some of it's even good. Sorry that bothers you so much. Most people expect professional outdoor writers, guides, and outfitters to be knowledgeable...even the retired ones. I know that when I do seminars at Bass Pro they sure like for me to know what I'm talking about. And when I accepted positions on the board of directors of 3 different international conservation organizations, they expected me to know a thing or two also. I didn't realize you cannot love hunting and fishing AND actually know anything about it. I appreciate your concern for my schedule, but I'd be willing to wager that in the past 10 years I have spent 2-3 times as many hours afield or on the water as you have. I averaged about 250 days of hunting and fishing per year until 2005. Since then, it's been about 30-45 days per year. And in my free time, I read, research, write, and teach about hunting, fishing, and conservation issues. Any more smart aleck questions? SilverMallard "How little do my countrymen know what precious blessings they are in possession of - and which no other people on Earth enjoy." Thomas Jefferson (This disclaimer is to state that any posts of a questionable nature are to be interpreted by the reader at their own peril. The writer of this post in no way supports the claims made in this post, or takes resposibility for their interpretations or uses. It is at the discretion of the reader to wrestle through issues of sarcasm, condescension, snobbery, lunacy, left and or right wing conspiracies, lying, cheating, wisdom, enlightenment, or any form of subterfuge contained herein.)
SilverMallard Posted July 30, 2006 Posted July 30, 2006 No. I own a company or two or three and have a pension check. How about you? Any more smart aleck questions? Oh...I also started a new thread on trout hooking mortality vis a vis barbless vs. barbed hooks in the General Discussion forum where I have provided about a dozen links to highly authoritative sources that all state emphatically that hooking mortality is reduced by barbless hooks...and a bunch more interesting hooking mortality info. ...including "recommendations" for using barbless hooks for trout fishing on the MDC website! SilverMallard "How little do my countrymen know what precious blessings they are in possession of - and which no other people on Earth enjoy." Thomas Jefferson (This disclaimer is to state that any posts of a questionable nature are to be interpreted by the reader at their own peril. The writer of this post in no way supports the claims made in this post, or takes resposibility for their interpretations or uses. It is at the discretion of the reader to wrestle through issues of sarcasm, condescension, snobbery, lunacy, left and or right wing conspiracies, lying, cheating, wisdom, enlightenment, or any form of subterfuge contained herein.)
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