Gates Open Again

[Wayne SW/MO]

Phil, just saw this from the Baxter Bulletin paper:

The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers will increase water released through the Bull Shoals Dam spillway gates to 55,000 cubic feet per second at 11 a.m. today, according to Jon Hiser, USACE lakes manager.

Can you put that in perspective Dan? I know that Riley's Station is well above the river, I would venture a guess that it is close 40' at least. I was amazed at the photos from the last big one that showed water threatening the homes and cabins. How much higher do you suppose it will rise if they follow through?

[Danoinark]

Can you put that in perspective Dan? I know that Riley's Station is well above the river, I would venture a guess that it is close 40' at least. I was amazed at the photos from the last big one that showed water threatening the homes and cabins. How much higher do you suppose it will rise if they follow through?

Wayne I don't know. Its been awhile since I have been to that part of the river, and I know not since 2008 during the last flood event. But I do know its the first time I have ever seen it surround the Cotter Boat Dock like it is today. Wish I could give you a better reference as to what is happening further down river.

[Phil Lilley]

I found out....

The catwalk on the lake side of TR dam is at 935.

At 936, surface water on Table Rock Lake can splash the electric motors that open and close the flood gates. If the motors are not able to function, then they (Corp) lose control of their control.

They will NEVER let the lake get to 936 under any circumstance.

TR is supposed to crest at or just below 935 tonight, baring no more rain. Beaver is dropping. They are going to leave everything as it is still at least Saturday to get the levels down on both Beaver and TR.

That's what I was told. Very good news for us.

[Fredrick]

I spoke too soon i didn't see they called for rain tonight. You should of seen this fool with kids on a full size pontoon with a tiny motor(full boar facing upstream he was standing still). First off he slammed sideways in to the the boat dock at cooper creek(bent the crap out of the metal) . Then he rips the door of the hinges nearly sends the boat with only the kids in it to powersite. Hits the opposite bank damages the boat more . Nearley hits the prop on the rocks and crashes again. It was scary for those kids he finally lands it . Omg Not a day for pleasure boaters. These people just don't get it

[Phil Lilley]

We saw them too. They went up once and drifted back by us. We all thought it looked like trouble. Fortunately they were the only ones we saw except for one guide with clients. I would suggest anyone with little experience get on this lake, at least up here, until the water drops.

Ryan and I took a trip up to the dam this afternoon. Nothing new except more bank at Fall Creek Condos have eroded away and another building is compromised.

We got to about Big Hole and decided not to go further in our G-3. The rollers are about 3 feet high up there. I was even spooked.

[Phil Lilley]

Here are some pics of Fall Creek. Excuse my finger in the one.

These two are of the building ABOVE the dock. It's new erosion.

This is below the dock. Not sure if there more gone from the bank- hard to tell.

The pontoons in the stalls are taking a beating. I hope they don't flip- don't think they will. The other boats are doing better. Lots of strong current there.

[Champ]

They dumped rip-rap around one of the buildings after 2008. Is that holding or are the pictures of that location? Trying to determine if rip-rap would be good for shoreline errosion control along Taneycomo, even during floods.

[Spinnaker]

They dumped rip-rap around one of the buildings after 2008. Is that holding or are the pictures of that location? Trying to determine if rip-rap would be good for shoreline errosion control along Taneycomo, even during floods.

I share your curiosity. I thought about the use of that technique as well but not on Taney but on a creek that backs up to greenway about 100 yards in the back of my yard. On one bend on the creek in my neighborhood, the city used gabions constructed on site to build a wall to stabilize an eroding bank. The technique has worked there quite well. (But, the COE as you know is sensitive about things like that.) The creek here is a mere trickle compared to the flow on Taney especially when the release is near record levels. I wonder how large the rocks have to be to withstand that kind of flow. If the rocks are dislodged that becomes another problem to fix that. Mother nature gets her way eventually no matter what we do.

[Phil Lilley]

The shoring you're thinking about is upstream about a half mile from this. This si below fall creek where their dock is located. Shot rock is good for shoring up dirt banks if it's done right. The Corp will have good instructions online. But you have to watch what you do up and downstream from the rip rap. Case in point, a house up in Pointe Royale. Both neighbors up and down from him shored their banks with rock. His dirt bank eroded away big time last month during high water. He now has rock on his bank.