New Fishing In Alaska

[mic]

A cool read about mother nature taking over new water. Remember no global warming.

http://news.discovery.com/earth/salmon-run-up-dead-glacier-111019.html

[Tim Smith]

A cool read about mother nature taking over new water. Remember no global warming.

http://news.discovery.com/earth/salmon-run-up-dead-glacier-111019.html

And here's one about how "mother nature" is beating the snot out of trout habitat in Colorado. I drive into valleys out here and it's like the freaking apocalypse sometimes...burned out forests and pine bark beetle and warming water and just about every other thing associated with climate change wiping out the habitat as far as you can see.

http://www.nrdc.org/globalwarming/trout/trout.pdf

Just put the "X" on it. It's getting ridiculous not to talk about this stuff.

[joeD]

I feel so guilty for even existing. Just think how awesome Earth would be if humans weren't around to muck things up.

[dennis boatman]

I prefer the term "global weather cycle"...

[Tim Smith]

I feel so guilty for even existing. Just think how awesome Earth would be if humans weren't around to muck things up.

I don't think feelings of inadequacy contribute much to a discussion or understandings about climate. Somebody's gotta sabotage the discussion by making it emotional so it might as well be you. You and your straw man can have at it.

I prefer the term "global weather cycle"...

Climate does cycle (as does weather).

Does it cycle for no reason or do specific drivers influence it? Clearly it's controlled by many specific factors. How big are the changes and how will we handle them when they come around? On a fisheries forum, it makes sense to point out that some of our favorite places are going to change substantially and in ways we can't predict. Some of those changes might be fortuitous. Others, probably many more others like losing trout in Colorado, are going to really suck.

[weed less]

I lived in Moraine Valley Illinois, next to a 900 foot deep lake caused by a 4mi. high glacial. Do I believe in global warming, you bet. Do not think SUV caused the melt. May have been coal generators, did they have them back then?

[Tim Smith]

I lived in Moraine Valley Illinois, next to a 900 foot deep lake caused by a 4mi. high glacial. Do I believe in global warming, you bet. Do not think SUV caused the melt. May have been coal generators, did they have them back then?

Weedless. Once you scrape all that down to point it looks something like "only things that happened in the past can happen in the future"...which is nonsense. As usual.

Here's a guy who agrees with you.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-october-26-2011/weathering-fights---science---what-s-it-up-to-

[Outside Bend]

I lived in Moraine Valley Illinois, next to a 900 foot deep lake caused by a 4mi. high glacial. Do I believe in global warming, you bet. Do not think SUV caused the melt. May have been coal generators, did they have them back then?

But no one's claiming those glaciers were melted by SUVs or coal generators.

What they are claiming (and what there's lots of evidence for), is that glaciers today are melting in large part due to our use of fossil fuels.

Again, it's a strawman.

[weed less]

Nonsense is to forget the past. I joined this forum to take advantaged of the knowledge that thousands of people are willing to share with me Glaciers are melting, fish were biting last week. I look at the past to help me with the future.The fishermen on this forum freely give me their knowledge of what has happen in their past fishing. History books tell me that glaciers have melted in the past, and reformed.To ignore the past to set it aside, where it does not fit my agenda. As I said I believe in global warming. Can we help slow it down I hope so. Let start with water.

[Tim Smith]

Nonsense is to forget the past. I joined this forum to take advantaged of the knowledge that thousands of people are willing to share with me Glaciers are melting, fish were biting last week. I look at the past to help me with the future.The fishermen on this forum freely give me their knowledge of what has happen in their past fishing. History books tell me that glaciers have melted in the past, and reformed.To ignore the past to set it aside, where it does not fit my agenda. As I said I believe in global warming. Can we help slow it down I hope so. Let start with water.

Not clear on all the things you mean here. Why do you frame your comments this way if you agree that humans are the main cause of the current rise in global temperatures? If you do agree with that, then what "agenda" exactly do you think climate science has? What past are they "ignorning"?

When I read climate science articles they seem to deal in excruciating detail with the past and their agenda seems to be understand the degree and implications of current and future trends.

Are you talking about policy agendas related to climate change? I guess there is plenty of room for "agendas" there.

Seems to me it would be a big step forward if we could at least agree (as we have not so far on this forum or in many other venues) that the scientists who uncovered these trends are just doing their job (quite well) and aren't out to enslave humanity or some other paranoid or agenda-driven nonsense.