mic Posted November 14, 2011 Posted November 14, 2011 I'm still searching for my go to fly for dead calm water for spooky small stream trout. I love the royal wulff for broken water. I was going through fly patterns and stumbled across this. Has anyone ever tried one? If yes, your thoughts? http://www.southeast...image-6-10.html
Wayne SW/MO Posted November 14, 2011 Posted November 14, 2011 Have you gone beyond the Griffiths Gnat and EHC? I've had some success both here and in the west on an H & L Variant also. The Renegade might be another to look at because I always seem to do better on still water with drys of many legs. Today's release is tomorrows gift to another fisherman.
mic Posted November 14, 2011 Author Posted November 14, 2011 Have you gone beyond the Griffiths Gnat and EHC? I've had some success both here and in the west on an H & L Variant also. The Renegade might be another to look at because I always seem to do better on still water with drys of many legs. Right now the Griffith's is my go to, but I've read in mulitple places to get a fly in the water film. It is supposed to elimate the trout's the ability to "zoom in" on the fly through water refraction and magnification. This means that my flies don't have to be as perfect for those wise old Blue Springs's monsters I'm dieing to catch and who have see it all. I'm going to try a simple green and partridge but with floatant on the tips of the feathers and the leader. It is supposed to sink very slowly through the film like a dying bug. I also am going to try a Griffith's with a really small midge on a trailer. I'm experimenting with using black horse hair a friend gave me. I've tied up a size 20 with grizzly, but not black hackle, and it looks good. However, that doesn't get the fly in the film. I don't think I have the skills to tie a para-midge, but if I could that would seem to be a better option. I also wondered about a caddis with only the wing and not the front hackle. I don't know how that would affect the look of the fly or its balance in the water, i.e. would it not lean to one side or the other? So many choices, but isn't that what makes it fun. I don't know what a EHC or H&L is.
stlfisher Posted November 14, 2011 Posted November 14, 2011 I have been using smaller flies the last several months for glassy water and spookier trout. I have had good sucess with midges, adams, and bwo's. Size 22 have worked the best. For faster water I like bigger more visable flies like a Caddis or something similiar to the Wulf as you suggested. If I had one dry fly to throw to spookier small stream trout in glassy water I probably choose a size 22 Adams or a grey/light dun midge also in a size 22.
Outside Bend Posted November 14, 2011 Posted November 14, 2011 You may also want to look into the X-caddis and the comparadun, both patterns are designed for calmer water where trout have more time to inspect the fly. <{{{><
Wayne SW/MO Posted November 14, 2011 Posted November 14, 2011 EHC= elk hair caddis. It's probably the best know of the caddis dries. Sometimes if the fish are fed a constant diet of floaters a spinner will fool them The best arsenal will always be matching the hatch and that can often be done by simply tying dries with a tail, body and sparse hackle in the right colors and sizes. You should probably do some research on the common creatures that haunt your waters and then match them with flies. Throwing something that looks good is fun, but not always effective. Today's release is tomorrows gift to another fisherman.
Gavin Posted November 14, 2011 Posted November 14, 2011 No one fly is gonna do it all..I usually go with a Caddis, Madame X, or Crackleback as good general purpose searching dries..if I see mayflies, I might try a parachute or a comparadun style tie...small flies are generally for small fish...but not always...I carry some but rarely break them out. Good Luck.
mic Posted November 15, 2011 Author Posted November 15, 2011 I have been using smaller flies the last several months for glassy water and spookier trout. I have had good sucess with midges, adams, and bwo's. Size 22 have worked the best. For faster water I like bigger more visable flies like a Caddis or something similiar to the Wulf as you suggested. If I had one dry fly to throw to spookier small stream trout in glassy water I probably choose a size 22 Adams or a grey/light dun midge also in a size 22. That is also where I'm headed, but I don't know if I have hackle for 22 hooks.
mic Posted November 15, 2011 Author Posted November 15, 2011 EHC= elk hair caddis. It's probably the best know of the caddis dries. Sometimes if the fish are fed a constant diet of floaters a spinner will fool them The best arsenal will always be matching the hatch and that can often be done by simply tying dries with a tail, body and sparse hackle in the right colors and sizes. You should probably do some research on the common creatures that haunt your waters and then match them with flies. Throwing something that looks good is fun, but not always effective. I'm a dumba&&. Didn't put EHC with the name. I didn't think about a spinner.
mic Posted November 15, 2011 Author Posted November 15, 2011 No one fly is gonna do it all..I usually go with a Caddis, Madame X, or Crackleback as good general purpose searching dries..if I see mayflies, I might try a parachute or a comparadun style tie...small flies are generally for small fish...but not always...I carry some but rarely break them out. Good Luck. Yea I know one isn't going to do it all. I looking for the "first fly" I pull out of the box for flat calm water. If i see a hatch or nymph flashing, I readjust to match the situation. My other go to's are: Nymph broken water and flats going upstream - Pheasant tail Nymph for holes upstream - Dubbing scud Going down stream - Hare's ear and partridge wet Broken water dry - Royal Wulff Flat water dry - TBD "might try a parachute " This is a parachute.
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