Best Boat For Tany

[griffin]

How many of these motors have you heard run??

They are not as noise as a lawn mower. They are quieter than a jet and if you want you can order a special muffler that is even quieter. Besides, exhausting a motor in the water puts the noise in the water where the fish are. Exhausting into the air is not as noisey for the fish and it does not pollute our water with unburned gas and oil.

Dude - I guess I've been in 4 or 5 boats equipped with that motor, compared to a 4-stroke outboard they are the noise equivalent of godzilla......and I can honestly say that for very limited applications they are the cats arse....but to put one of those motors on a boat that you would use for fishing, hunting, big lakes, small water, big rivers, or anything in between, to use in widely varied applications is just laughable. Add to that the "no wake" rule on almost all Missouri public duck hunting ground, where this motor can really shine, and you quickly have a rig that makes you want to rub dog crap in your hair.

griffin

[Fox Statler]

Griffin,

The motor is quieter to the fish than a 4-cycle jet or prop outboard. They work on any kind of boat in more adverse conditions than regular props or jets. They are cleaner running than any prop or jet, 2-cycle or 4-cycle, especially for our water. As far as duck hunting, shotguns make a lot more noise that any kind of motor. I can troll slower than a prop or jet by raising my motor out of the water and only using part of the propeller. I can idle through weed beds, mud, leaves, limbs, sand, gravel, etc. I don't pollute the water and I doubt very seriously that you have every road in a boat equipped with a Gator-Tail motor if you live in Misssouri. Your MDC is considering buying several of them, just like the Minnesota DNR has already done. They are being sold in Alaska and Africa because they out preform all other outboards in the most adverse conditions. They are also legal for Missouri's 25hp powerhead limit.

[loo10]

Griffin,

The motor is quieter to the fish than a 4-cycle jet or prop outboard. They work on any kind of boat in more adverse conditions than regular props or jets. They are cleaner running than any prop or jet, 2-cycle or 4-cycle, especially for our water. As far as duck hunting, shotguns make a lot more noise that any kind of motor. I can troll slower than a prop or jet by raising my motor out of the water and only using part of the propeller. I can idle through weed beds, mud, leaves, limbs, sand, gravel, etc. I don't pollute the water and I doubt very seriously that you have every road in a boat equipped with a Gator-Tail motor if you live in Misssouri. Your MDC is considering buying several of them, just like the Minnesota DNR has already done. They are being sold in Alaska and Africa because they out preform all other outboards in the most adverse conditions. They are also legal for Missouri's 25hp powerhead limit.

It's an ugly dog's butt, I'll give ya that.

[griffin]

The motor is quieter to the fish than a 4-cycle jet or prop outboard.

Brother....put the bong down and step away for some fresh air. You ever heard a 4 stroke OUT OF THE WATER??? You trying to tell me that when I put it in the water it magically gets louder??

Yeah, I road in a boat with a gator tail.....the boy brought it up to show a guy and we ran it on the Meramec near where it dumps into the Mississippi. The other bost I've been in had similar "mud motors"....I hate to tell you this, but there ain't a huge difference in any of them.

I already told you, I agree that it's the deal for marsh situations.....just don't try to convince me that I need one of those as my do-it-all boat and motor. You'll never even get to the places I fish on the Mississippi or in Canada because by the time you get there you'll have to leave before it gets dark. :rotfl: :rotfl:

As for jet boats....I've owned one of those too, great motors for our little shallow streams....not worth a fiddlers darn on open water with any kind of chop, and I have no problem believing your motor is quieter then a jet.....but if you try to compare sound of your motor to the sound of a 4-stroke again then I'm going to suggest counseling for your dillusions.

griffin

[Phil Lilley]

I may be mistaken but this isn't a Go-Devil- those motors are loud... but these at least look different. Never heard one. I saw Fox's at the conclave in Oct but he didn't start it for us.

Talked to a Yamaha dealer in Little Rock yesterday. He said Johnson and Evinrude is now making a 2 stroke that is passing the federal emission standards... so they are allowed to make and sell them. Yamaha is making 2 strokes again too but they are allowed because they have "credits" by producing and selling so many 4 strokes over the past 6 years. He said they have enough credits they will continue to sell 2 strokes for quite awhile, if not definitely.

Evinrudes and Johnsons- the new strokes only go down to 40 hp though, no 25 hp's yet.

So may be everyone can go back to 2 strokes, get the power back they need to get out of the hole faster and not pollute the air or water. Will 4 strokes now become obsolete?

[griffin]

No, it's not a go-devil, but the noise is about the same. It's on the same line as a Pro-drive, no matter how different they want to make it sound.

As for the "hole shot" with a 4-stroke. I've never understood that. I can get on plane with my boat and 5 adults in a hurry, and I'm not racing anyone, I'm fishing.

I don't care if they can sell 2-strokes forever.....I've owned 6 of them, from 20hp to 150hp and I'm never going back. This is the second 4-stroke I have owned and I like the quiet, the low maintenance, and the fuel efficiency I get with them.

griffin

[loo10]

Hey Guys...remember...

Fox SELLS Gator Tails.

He might be just a wee bit biased.

I've owned 2-strokes and 4-strokes.

I'd take 4 strokes 10 outta 10 times.

Some advise my Dad gave me:

"YOU CAN'T CATCH A FISH YOU'VE SCARED THE HECK OUT OF!"

[Phil Lilley]

We bought 4 strokes (25 yahama) 3 years ago... 20 years prior we only used 2 strokes.

We like them but they do have their downfalls. We've replaced more lower units and power heads on the 4 strokes than in most years combined. The reason is, and the manufacture rep confirmed this, is that a 4 stroke won't stop when the lower unit hits something (gravel bar). The motor tends to stay in gear and keep running while a 2 stroke will stop almost immediately.

Gas mileage, quietness, quick start, dependability, envionmentally friendly - all are good... just don't hit many gravel bars.

As far as getting out of the hole, you do have to consider the fact that a 4 stroke doesn't have the quick start out of a hole... like a jet, you get less power using a 4 stroke and have to consider using a larger hp motor verses a 2 stroke. I have a friend who is having to replace a 90 hp 2 stroke and wants to get a 4 stroke. The dealer has advised him to go to a 110 hp if he buys a 4 stroke to get the same "out of the hole" power.

Good discussion.

[Wayne SW/MO]

I have a 4 stroke that spends most of its time in the shop, if you consider one with Carburetors, don't, run!

[loo10]

I have a 4 stroke that spends most of its time in the shop, if you consider one with Carburetors, don't, run!

I'm not sure what brand you have but I've owned Yamaha's and Honda's.

I guess there are lemons in each batch

but my first 3 motors were Mercury's and

you could count on them about as much

as counting on a teenage boy to behave with your daughter.

Given the chance...they'll disappoint you!

I know this.

When on Taney I can hear a 2-stroke coming from far-far off.

But I get comments on my Honda everytime I'm down there,

"Boy that's a quiet motor".

One last thing: HOLE SHOT

Who cares! You racing or fishing?

This is reason #592 why tournaments are bad for fishing.