What Should We Do About Mass Shootings?

[Chief Grey Bear]

Honestly I have no clue how your name got in there i didnt even notice it I just hit QUOTE from Justins post. more website issues maybe?

I think so. I also notice we don't "multi quote" anymore. I really liked that option. I don't have the emoticons either. All kinds of funny stuff happening now.

Chief a Military grade weapon at the time of our constitution was whatever was in the hands of the people at the time, Same for the Civil war even and in the Indian Wars our goverments weapons were outmatched by repeaters for a time. Our Military does not manufacture weapons Civillian companies do. You know the differance between a civilian AR and a Military one?

Yeah. On a side by side comparison, you could argue they are many. But on a whole, not much. Our government does not manufacture anything. Except currency. Everything else is manufactured by private companies.

Full or burst for the military aka select fire... Civilan single shot, but many the guys I know with the civilian version have upgraded barrels and most other parts of the gun they are of larger cals and much more accurate and reliable. The Military version is 5.56 Nato where many of the civilian weapons have been upgraded, I personaly like 308cal with a Krieger custom 28'' barrel 1.7.7 twist matched with a swarovski bullestic turret scope and will reach out and touch something, Ive put brown down at a long way off. I wouldnt ever try the shots with a Military AR I would with that gun.

The reason I posted the above paragraph is to show these guns have gone way past military application. But where i keep shaking my head is people calling them Military weapons they are NOT. Unless someone has the licensing they cannot own a SELECT FIRE WEAPON. they cannot own a grenade launcher or anything else the Military or Police have. The big cry is the Magazine Size or the Looks of the gun and thats stupid I can take a old 870 Shotgun and in an hour have it looking as Black as the Ace of spades is that then an " Assault Weapon"

I want one person to tell me what an assault weapon is?

Military weapon, assault weapons, Military style weapon, whatever you want to call them, they were designed specifically for one purpose, to kill humans. They were not designed for traditional hunting only. And lets not try fool one another in the difference.

My question is what is the need/purpose of a "military style" weapon?

[Justin Spencer]

In my opinion everyone's arguements are valid. I think it is obvious that some kind of gun control measures are going to be passed whether it be changes in permitting, background checks, or bans on certain types of weapons. The assault weapon definition is a tough one because while many consider a semi-automatic .223 with a large magazine an assault rifle, most wouldn't consider a semi auto .22 long rifle one, although it could sure hurt a lot of people quickly. I wish there were easy answers to the problem of gun violence in the U.S., but the fact is there isn't. Current gun enthusiasts attitudes are not going to change so we need to work toward educating future generations about the dangers of easy to get weapons. One thing is for certain with the increase in population that will continue for decades, if we don't start taking some measures in relation to gun control, the problem will get worse before it gets better. Now I'm going out and try to shoot a few groundhogs that are hopefully out of hibernation with this warm weather, one time I wish I had an AR instead of a bolt action .223 so I could really lay it to them!

[Chief Grey Bear]

I think the season is closed Justin. You may want to check on that first.

[Justin Spencer]

I think the season is closed Justin. You may want to check on that first.

No season when they are digging under my sleeper cabins and making them start to shift, they can come get me if they are concerned about the groundhog population. I should probably go through the proper channels to get the proper permits, but don't really figure I'll get checked (I may now however).

[Wayne SW/MO]

Let me put this thought out there. How many lives are lost to gun deaths by criminals each year?

Now how many people are killed or injured by a drunk driver each year?

It consistently runs a little over 10K for both. It is strange that in the case of alcohol they target the person, but in the case of the mentally challenged they target guns. The government works hard to create criminals with more regulations and when they don't solve the original problem they propose more. Before anyone supports the present proposed ban, look and see what the last one, that was allowed to expire accomplished, and why it was allowed to expire.

I still believe a license to buy is the best answer, not perfect, but it would allow stiff penalties because it wouldn't infringe on any law abiding persons right to own. It could in fact be a blessing for most as long as the gubmint didn't make sellers report every transaction, only record and keep the info.

The common denominator in all the mass shootings wasn't assault weapons, it was mental illness. I know that in the case of the last 3, all were under the care of a psychiatrist, possibly all of them were, I haven't looked.

[Feathers and Fins]

I think so. I also notice we don't "multi quote" anymore. I really liked that option. I don't have the emoticons either. All kinds of funny stuff happening now.

Yeah. On a side by side comparison, you could argue they are many. But on a whole, not much. Our government does not manufacture anything. Except currency. Everything else is manufactured by private companies.

Military weapon, assault weapons, Military style weapon, whatever you want to call them, they were designed specifically for one purpose, to kill humans. They were not designed for traditional hunting only. And lets not try fool one another in the difference.

My question is what is the need/purpose of a "military style" weapon?

Ya really not liking this quoting option I dont even see Chiefs name above as im typing.

Oh well, Anyway Which of these is a military style weapon Chiefy.

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and no checking the properties to see what gun it is.

[Chief Grey Bear]

The only bolt action that is used in the military now, that I know of, is for sniper fire. Does that make a .22 bolt action military style? Me thinks not. The .22 and the rifles above were designed for hunting game not humans.

[dennis boatman]

Chicago has probably the toughest gun laws in the country, they dont allow you to possess one, they also have one of the highest occurences of gun violence. Gun laws dont work, only the law abiding citizen obeys laws. Criminals will get guns illegally if the laws were changed to ban all guns. The difference would be that law abiding citizen would have given his guns up and wouldnt be able to defend himself from these criminals with guns. The constituition states the right to bear arms, not for hunting or sport, but to be able to defend ourselves including against a tyrranical government. The settlers came to America and fought against their own government to create this free country. As we see, gun free zones do not work. I dont know what the answer is to the mass shootings, but taking guns from law abiding citizens is not the answer.

more guns is not the answer either...

[jdmidwest]

Ya really not liking this quoting option I dont even see Chiefs name above as im typing.

Oh well, Anyway Which of these is a military style weapon Chiefy.

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and no checking the properties to see what gun it is.

I think they are all based on a Mauser Style action of WW1, so they are all military developed weapons. The Remington 700 series bolt actions have all been used in the military

The Ruger 10-22 is a military clone rifle. The Mini 14 by Ruger is a clone of the 30 carbine used in Korea.

The ever popular 30-06 and .308 cartridges were made popular by the military and became popular in civilian use because of a surplus of ammo after the wars. The same goes with .223 in the AR's.

The Savage Pump Shotgun and the Winchester 1897 and Model 12 were military shotguns.

The famous Winchester lever action rifles were used by the military in years past. So have many single action revolvers.

The Colt 1911 pistol and many double action revolvers have been used in the military.

Truth be known, if we are to assume the current knee jerk response to banning firearms used by the military, it would be hard to find one that does not have a connection. That is what makes the bad so sad, ban a firearm just because the military has used it?

[Feathers and Fins]

Just an FYI those are all three Winchester model 70's and if anyone knows the name Carlos Hathcock that gun was one of two he used ( three if you count what he did to a 50cal). And one of the best hunting rifles of all times.

JD thats my entire point. Just because the military or a military sed a weapon doesnt make it bad, Heck no weapon is bad in the terms it will go out and hurt someone it takes the bad person to use it so by that a hammer is just as deadly and a nail gun is just evil.