Wedding Veil Problems

[Big Brown Trout]

so as far as I can tell my tie of the wedding veil is pretty decent. The version I tie is similar to what Brian Wise tied in his video only thing is its action isn't 100% what I want. When the fly does stay upright its perfect, there is a great sexy little wiggle that I am sure bigger fish would be hard pressed to resist, but then we enter the problem area, It doesn't always stay in the correct position. Every third or fourth retrieve it would start to lop sideways, which if I wasn't retrieving looked great as It looked just like a dying perch, problem was when I retrieved it, it wouldn't always right itself, coming toward me turned on its side. Has anyone fished these, or does anyone have any suggestions on how to fix this issue. I was hoping maybe Brian or someone else could toss me some insight. Is there someway I can put a keel on these??

Here is a sample of what they turned out like:

Please ignore the pink case latches, the craft aisle version of this tacklebox was a dollar and half cheaper at Wal-Mart.

[Lancer09]

Going sparser on the laser dub should help. I can't tell what kind of hook you are using either however if there is any sort of offset in the point it will throw it off a little bit as well. If those don't help, a FEW wraps of small lead wire around the back bend of the hook should help it, but then you're messing with the action of the fly.

[Wayne SW/MO]

You might try tying in a straight piece of wire on the bottom of the shank. Often times the hook bend acts as a keel =, but when it is well covered it can't do that as well. The Swimmin Jimmy comes to mind.

That orange belly combo should be a killer although I might throw in a strip of bright blue just to seal the deal for longear colors.

[Ozark Sweetwater]

You might try tying in a straight piece of wire on the bottom of the shank. Often times the hook bend acts as a keel =, but when it is well covered it can't do that as well. The Swimmin Jimmy comes to mind.

That orange belly combo should be a killer although I might throw in a strip of bright blue just to seal the deal for longear colors.

Wayne is right, what I do is build a keel using 3 strips of lead wire on the underside of the hook shank. I tie in 2 pieces side by side then add a third on top and in between the other two. It should form a triangle, if I'm explaining it right.

The lead wrap on the bend of the rear hook that Lancer was talking about, gives the fly a kick when you pause in between strips.

[Big Brown Trout]

thanks guys I will try this out and see how it goes. the hook I am using is an eagle claw #1 baitholder (forgot which number). It is offset but I use the vise to bend it back into alignment before I tie. I have also been working with less laser dub some of these in the photo are sparser than others, yet for some reason in this pic they all look super bulky.

will the strips of lead affect the action or just wrapping it like Lancer talked about?

That orange belly combo should be a killer although I might throw in a strip of bright blue just to seal the deal for longear colors.

yeah I wanted to do that, I didn't have any on hand though, in the future though for sure

[motroutbum]

Use less laser dub on the top of the fly. If you use too much material on the top oart of the fly, it will cause it to roll. You only need a little bit of laser dub to build a great profile. Use the B10S or a Tiemco 8089 and that will help as well.

[Big Brown Trout]

as far as I can tell the hook I use is very similar to the B10S, I couldn't find any of these when I went to buy hooks. I was thinking to myself the primary problem was probably to much dub on the bottom, will this give problems to? thanks for the advice MoTroutBum

[Lancer09]

Triggs method shouldn't effect the action. It will just keep the bottom of the shank oriented downward. If you do this be sure that you get them really on the bottom of the hook.

How I mentioned it puts the weight below the shank, holding the bend down, but does effect the action, which can be a good or a bad thing, depending on the action you want out of the fly. It changes the action because it puts the weight behind the bulk of the material, and the back of the fly is going to have more energy moving forward than the front of the fly.

[Big Brown Trout]

thanks for the info guys, I tied a test out of scrap materials so as soon as I get a chance i'll fling it out and see what happens.