jolicious Posted June 28, 2016 Posted June 28, 2016 I have often thought that summertime tournaments from first light until 11:00am would be good - might also help the relationship between anglers and pleasure boaters.
Mike jones Posted June 28, 2016 Posted June 28, 2016 1 hour ago, DADAKOTA said: Tourney anglers should take care of their fish. A livewell thermometer is another good thing to have. That way you won't overcool the water. I'd prefer that the summer derbies be shorter in length to lessen the stress on the fish. Three or four hours is enough. But summer derby mortality is just one component of total mortality on a given lake. Chi seems to have a problem with tourneys and lays a lot of bass mortality at the hands of the tourney anglers. So many factors play into the bass mortality and reproduction on a given body of water. Do some bass die from poor handling in tourneys? Absolutely. However, those that were hooked deeply most likely will die regardless of whether in a tourney or not. Today's super hooks do not rust out like the old hooks we used to use. Leaving the hook in a fish is most likely a death sentence. Cranking a fish to the surface from 60 feet down will affect their swim bladder. Not "fizzing" the fish and releasing it into the warm surface water results in dead fish. Should we limit the depth one can fish? Impacting the spawn by sight fishing hurts reproduction. Do we stop fishing then? Coming out of the spawn the bass are weak and more susceptible to disease and being stressed. Do we stop fishing then as well? Folks that harvest fish for the table reduce populations as well. How many bass die due to the use of live bait that they swallow? DO we outlaw bait fishing? How a bout the folks that put them on a stringer all day and decide they don't have enough to clean or don't feel like it. Do you think those bass will survive? How many fish swallow a senko type bait because the angler does not realize they have a bite? More than likely a dead fish. Do we outlaw senkos? So many things kill fish. Otters and cormorants hammer bass. So many causes of mortality. To blame one group (tourney anglers) is ludicrous. There is a carrying capacity for each lake that the fisheries folks consider when regulating the harvest of various fish species. Mortality by all causes goes into the planning and regulations for each body of water. Great points here..thank you. Yes, Chi seems to think bass anglers in tournaments kill the largest % of bass...it seems that from various comments from others including anglers and a biologist, most of us agree that illegal harvesting really is the biggest threat. The shared video has some great info in it...I practice almost everything in the video and rarely weigh a dead bass. As a matter of fact, the last dead bass I weighed was in the Everett championship last fall. My daughter gut hooked a Kentucky on a ned rig and it didn't make it. Summer tournaments have and will go on, like it or not. Kicking the limit back to 3 fish and limiting the number of fish brought to the weigh in would be the best way to combat post weigh in mortality.
jolicious Posted June 28, 2016 Posted June 28, 2016 6 hours ago, Mike jones said: Great points here..thank you. Yes, Chi seems to think bass anglers in tournaments kill the largest % of bass...it seems that from various comments from others including anglers and a biologist, most of us agree that illegal harvesting really is the biggest threat. The shared video has some great info in it...I practice almost everything in the video and rarely weigh a dead bass. As a matter of fact, the last dead bass I weighed was in the Everett championship last fall. My daughter gut hooked a Kentucky on a ned rig and it didn't make it. Summer tournaments have and will go on, like it or not. Kicking the limit back to 3 fish and limiting the number of fish brought to the weigh in would be the best way to combat post weigh in mortality. That is an awesome idea.
Stump bumper Posted June 28, 2016 Posted June 28, 2016 Man there is a lot of heated debate here, the original point here that I was upset about the waste of the fish not the fact they died. Heck I have never ate a live chicken but I do eat a lot of chicken. After a crappie tournament you have 100% dead fish but 0 of those fish are floating around the dock the next day. I myself don't like bass but my dogs have to eat also so they have had some fried bass from deep hooked fish I have brought home. I have no problem with someone who keeps a winning 20lb bag if they enjoy eating bass, just don't waste the fish was the point. It is like shooting squirrels, it might be fun but you have to skin them and cook them afterwards. To me catching a fish and throwing it dead into the water is the same as shooting a deer and leaving it in the field. JMO but if they keep all the bass just makes more room for stripers. Robert Haynes 1
Champ188 Posted June 28, 2016 Posted June 28, 2016 7 hours ago, Mike jones said: Kicking the limit back to 3 fish and limiting the number of fish brought to the weigh in would be the best way to combat post weigh in mortality. Yes, a fine idea, but Mike, you know from experience that there are a fair number of teams out there who are gonna bring in 5 bass pretty much every tournament. And it's also a given that none of those guys want to open the door to lesser-skilled anglers by reducing the limit to 3. Targeting bigger bass, especially on Beaver, is not an easy proposition. Neither is catching a 5-bass limit much of the time. So the way things are now favor the better anglers, and if you try and change it, a bunch of them will stay home. And when that happens, purses drop, everyone loses interest and the tournament circuit folds.
Champ188 Posted June 28, 2016 Posted June 28, 2016 7 hours ago, Mike jones said: Kicking the limit back to 3 fish and limiting the number of fish brought to the weigh in would be the best way to combat post weigh in mortality. Yes, a fine idea, but Mike, you know from experience that there are a fair number of teams out there who are gonna bring in 5 bass pretty much every tournament. And it's also a given that none of those guys want to open the door to lesser-skilled anglers by reducing the limit to 3. Targeting bigger bass, especially on Beaver, is not an easy proposition. Neither is catching a 5-bass limit much of the time. So the way things are now favor the better anglers, and if you try and change it, a bunch of them will stay home. And when that happens, purses drop, everyone loses interest and the tournament circuit folds.
Stump bumper Posted June 29, 2016 Posted June 29, 2016 2 hours ago, Champ188 said: Yes, a fine idea, but Mike, you know from experience that there are a fair number of teams out there who are gonna bring in 5 bass pretty much every tournament. And it's also a given that none of those guys want to open the door to lesser-skilled anglers by reducing the limit to 3. Targeting bigger bass, especially on Beaver, is not an easy proposition. Neither is catching a 5-bass limit much of the time. So the way things are now favor the better anglers, and if you try and change it, a bunch of them will stay home. And when that happens, purses drop, everyone loses interest and the tournament circuit folds. Champ 5 years ago I would have agreed but with PC full of bass boats 7 days a week now I would say anything that got a few boats to stay home would be welcome, especially those that catch 5 keepers every time out. 40 boats used to be a big tournament, now it seems every time I put in at PC even on a week day after 6pm there are that many boats at the dock. I myself would fish a small jack pot if it was biggest fish takes all since I have always thought that gives everyone a fair chance regardless of their skill set. Is there a day anyone knows there is not a tournament? I would like to know so I could plan my night fishing around that day. Mike jones and Champ188 2
Mike jones Posted June 29, 2016 Posted June 29, 2016 12 hours ago, Champ188 said: Yes, a fine idea, but Mike, you know from experience that there are a fair number of teams out there who are gonna bring in 5 bass pretty much every tournament. And it's also a given that none of those guys want to open the door to lesser-skilled anglers by reducing the limit to 3. Targeting bigger bass, especially on Beaver, is not an easy proposition. Neither is catching a 5-bass limit much of the time. So the way things are now favor the better anglers, and if you try and change it, a bunch of them will stay home. And when that happens, purses drop, everyone loses interest and the tournament circuit folds. You are correct Champ..it would be welcome by some and pushed back by others. The famous Wednesday night jackpot at Lake of the Ozarks was a 5 fish limit for years and years. They then dropped back to a 4 fish limit. They still draw a ton of boats each week. The Wednesday night jackpot here at Beaver is a 3 fish limit. But you are right, changing it to a 3 fish deal does open the door for more luck to be involved. Same reason most derbys don't allow the a-rig. Brings the luck factor way up. 9 hours ago, Stump bumper said: Champ 5 years ago I would have agreed but with PC full of bass boats 7 days a week now I would say anything that got a few boats to stay home would be welcome, especially those that catch 5 keepers every time out. 40 boats used to be a big tournament, now it seems every time I put in at PC even on a week day after 6pm there are that many boats at the dock. I myself would fish a small jack pot if it was biggest fish takes all since I have always thought that gives everyone a fair chance regardless of their skill set. Is there a day anyone knows there is not a tournament? I would like to know so I could plan my night fishing around that day. I don't think there are any derbys on Monday or Thursday night stump. Champ188 1
chi0082 Posted June 29, 2016 Posted June 29, 2016 23 hours ago, DADAKOTA said: Tourney anglers should take care of their fish. A livewell thermometer is another good thing to have. That way you won't overcool the water. I'd prefer that the summer derbies be shorter in length to lessen the stress on the fish. Three or four hours is enough. But summer derby mortality is just one component of total mortality on a given lake. Chi seems to have a problem with tourneys and lays a lot of bass mortality at the hands of the tourney anglers. So many factors play into the bass mortality and reproduction on a given body of water. Do some bass die from poor handling in tourneys? Absolutely. However, those that were hooked deeply most likely will die regardless of whether in a tourney or not. Today's super hooks do not rust out like the old hooks we used to use. Leaving the hook in a fish is most likely a death sentence. Cranking a fish to the surface from 60 feet down will affect their swim bladder. Not "fizzing" the fish and releasing it into the warm surface water results in dead fish. Should we limit the depth one can fish? Impacting the spawn by sight fishing hurts reproduction. Do we stop fishing then? Coming out of the spawn the bass are weak and more susceptible to disease and being stressed. Do we stop fishing then as well? Folks that harvest fish for the table reduce populations as well. How many bass die due to the use of live bait that they swallow? DO we outlaw bait fishing? How a bout the folks that put them on a stringer all day and decide they don't have enough to clean or don't feel like it. Do you think those bass will survive? How many fish swallow a senko type bait because the angler does not realize they have a bite? More than likely a dead fish. Do we outlaw senkos? So many things kill fish. Otters and cormorants hammer bass. So many causes of mortality. To blame one group (tourney anglers) is ludicrous. There is a carrying capacity for each lake that the fisheries folks consider when regulating the harvest of various fish species. Mortality by all causes goes into the planning and regulations for each body of water. Here we go again....."Everyone's killing bass so what's the big deal with summer tournaments". Dear God help us all.
Mike jones Posted June 29, 2016 Posted June 29, 2016 14 minutes ago, chi0082 said: Here we go again....."Everyone's killing bass so what's the big deal with summer tournaments". Dear God help us all. It's amazing that you won't accept the fact that bass mortality comes in many, many different forms. You just want to single out the tournament guys and spew your hate towards them. Here is a idea..why don't you go down to Hickory Creek this weekend around 11 or midnight and see how many illegal bass are on stringers from the 47 people that will be fishing from the bank?? Maybe check prairie creek also around the fishing dock and the boat ramp. I'm sure you don't want to know how many bass are harvested illegally every weekend...or every day.
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