Law Enforcement

[Danoinark]

Chief

The police run tags all the time and don't stop you. But they have that authority. They can run what they want to and for whatever reason if its legit. But if you go to the police department or ask an officer to run a tag, because say...you saw this nice looking guy or girl, and you just wanted to know who it was...that would not be legit and against the data base authorities rules. There are actually state statutes agaiinst what we are talking about.

Dano

[SilverMallard]

Dano, you're right. You know you're right. I know you're right. We've told them. If they want to argue the point, I'd just ignore it. That's what I'm doing. As you know, it also doesn't matter how many OTHER people are breaking the law if YOU are the one who got caught...as you well know.

It is also illegal for a cop to let you borrow his patrol car to run to Wal-Mart or use his dept-issued wireless laptop to conduct your eBay auctions. And this is just about the same sort of thing: unauthorized use of gov't resources. But you also have the distinct possibility of a FEDERAL civil rights violation.

I'm done posting on this subject. The discussion is silly.

[Chief Grey Bear]

Chief

The police run tags all the time and don't stop you. But they have that authority. They can run what they want to and for whatever reason if its legit. But if you go to the police department or ask an officer to run a tag, because say...you saw this nice looking guy or girl, and you just wanted to know who it was...that would not be legit and against the data base authorities rules. There are actually state statutes agaiinst what we are talking about.

Dano

Well, you may well be right. But He ain't looking for a pretty girl. he his looking for someone who stole from him. Huge difference. Are you and SillyMallard trying to tell me that if I get the tags from a car that has committed a felony that it is illegal to run the tags? Can you qoute me this statute?

[techo]

Even though I agree with Silver Mallard, "this discussion is silly" I can't stop myself. If a clerk has a good description of the vehicle and driver....it has been my experience (as an officer)

that a report with followup will be done. The Springfield Police calls this "quality of service". A detective is busy with felony cases and in general don't work misdo cases. A patrol officer will work the case very quickly. The plate has to be registered to the matching vehicle and in their jurisdiction though.

MULES is where most of this information comes from, not NCIC. It would be a very bad idea to run someone in MULES unless it was your case or area. You could look at criminal charges or lose access to MULES. Criminal histories come from NCIC. They are very particular about those.

I will share that the last three drive offs I worked....the suspect had a receipt, or proof that they paid. The clerk then could not determine who had really driven off.

As to the issue of the clerk paying for the drive off. It is illegal to have a clerk work for less that minumum wage. If they dock her pay or charge her to the extent she drops below minimum pay...the company could be in legal trouble if anything was done about it. I use to run a C-store as well.

[Rusty]

Even though I agree with Silver Mallard, "this discussion is silly" I can't stop myself. If a clerk has a good description of the vehicle and driver....it has been my experience (as an officer)

that a report with followup will be done. The Springfield Police calls this "quality of service". A detective is busy with felony cases and in general don't work misdo cases. A patrol officer will work the case very quickly. The plate has to be registered to the matching vehicle and in their jurisdiction though.

MULES is where most of this information comes from, not NCIC. It would be a very bad idea to run someone in MULES unless it was your case or area. You could look at criminal charges or lose access to MULES. Criminal histories come from NCIC. They are very particular about those.

I will share that the last three drive offs I worked....the suspect had a receipt, or proof that they paid. The clerk then could not determine who had really driven off.

As to the issue of the clerk paying for the drive off. It is illegal to have a clerk work for less that minumum wage. If they dock her pay or charge her to the extent she drops below minimum pay...the company could be in legal trouble if anything was done about it. I use to run a C-store as well.

Finally...Thanks techo

[Danoinark]

techno

I agree, here its ACIC...the state data base provider...I was just referring to NCIC as a general nomer.

Chief

It won't be illegal to run the tag if you are a police officer in that jurisidiction and activelly investigating the crime. It would be illegal for a police officer to run that tag for YOU. Now he could tell you who it belongs to and probably would while HE is investigating the drive off. But for someone (police officer, dispatcher, dept secretary) not involved in that probe it would be illegal for them to tell you who it belongs to.

I will try to find the Arkansas statute online that applies and give you the code number, if not I will be in the office on Tuesday and find it in my Arkansas Criminal Code.

Dano

[Danoinark]

This is verbatim (copied and pasted) from the Arkansas Crime Information Centers system procedures. If you want the url to browse it all I can give that to you.

Agencies and officials receiving information directly from the ACIC,

NCIC and NLETS systems are limited to those that have been assigned an Originating Agency

Identifier (ORI) number by the FBI. The ACIC Supervisory Board may also allow other

agencies or officials access to information from state-controlled databases, when authorized by

Arkansas law.

( Use of Information. Information from the ACIC system shall only be used by criminal

justice officials, acting in their official capacities, for criminal justice purposes. Any other non-

criminal justice uses must be authorized by law, under procedures approved by the ACIC

Supervisory Board, and may include the release of information to the public on wanted persons,

missing persons, stolen property, hazardous materials, and road and weather conditions.

(e) Misuse of Information. Misuse of information from the ACIC system is a felony, as

defined in A.C.A. §§ 12-12-212 and 12-12-1002(.

(f) Vehicle Information. Pursuant to Act 1830 of 2001, Section 6©, ACIC may provide

vehicle information to towing and storage firms for a fee of ten dollars ($10.00) per record

check.

[davekeim]

Okay Boys! Settle down. My Bro is an officer for St Louis County. If the officer on the scene had the plate number he should have been at home of the thief waiting for him. Any respectable officer would have reacted in such manner.

This crap about not enough officers is bull. My brother would have jumped all over this due to normal boredom on the job.

This officer who responded to the scene is a lazy cop! Contact his superior and explain the situation. The lazy dog cop will get alot of heat. Seems like the type who can't wait to get back to the donut and nap.

This is the type of guy that gives good cops a bad image. Once all his brotherhood finds out they will ride him to shame.

Bad Boys, whatch ya gonna do! Bad boys!

ABDITO!

Signed,

Cardiac

[brittsnbirds]

Ducky-

Fire me a cell number, I'll try and get you some help. My daughter spent 4 years at SMS. During that time I had to call on the SPD to work a hit and run that involved her car. Their leaving the scene unit did an excellent job and they had a license number. I've been to training with several of their officers and they have talked about how busy they are but..... if you call in for a gas driveoff, stealing, larceny whatever. They should at least take your info. If you tell them that you will prosecute and you have a video you should at least get an incident number. If the suspect "knowingly" committed the crime then you have a case. I know if we don't have a vehicle description and a license number we will give them a incident number and that's it. If our guys can get a clearance for a larceny, whether you prosecute or sign a waiver it's a stat.

Again send me a pm with a cell. We'll see what the SPD can do!

[Chief Grey Bear]

( Use of Information. Information from the ACIC system shall only be used by criminal

justice officials, acting in their official capacities, for criminal justice purposes.

Well, here is how I interpret that law.

A police officer is a Criminal Justice Official.

If he is on duty, he acting in official capacity. To me, even if he was off duty, in a criminal case such as this, he would be acting in his official capacity.

This case would certainly qualify for criminal justice purposes.

That is just the way I see it.

I think I can see us butting heads on this too though. LOL!!!