Bit of a Problem

[FRENZEL]

Boats really do not need to come up above lookout if there are no units running. No need to.

[loo10]

The problems "up there" are not the individuals

who have chosen not to fight the "trout park"

atmosphere near the chutes by fishing from their boats.

It is the individuals who play dumb and fish with bait.

I see a "violator" 100% of the time I'm up there.

[Bill Babler]

Guys, the water in question is 4 miles from the dam in the extreme lower section of the restricted area. It is a narrow chute above the fall creek ramp, where the channel runs along the bluff, off of the shallow shoal just above fall creek. This channel is just a few yds. wide and then goes to a shoal that is 250 yrds across of barley ancle deep water. The jets can get over the shoal, but the prop boats need the channel.

This is an extreme narrow gap that allows us to run to clay banks, Lookout and the flat at Andy's house. Nothing near the dam. I stated the area in my first post.

I do agree that no boats reguardless of power, weather it be oars or a 225 opti, need to be above the conservation ramp on zero flow. There is just flat no reason to be up there bothering the waders, none at all.

On high flow, that changes everything, and gives the boat fisherman a chance to drift fish this wonderful area, without disturbing the wading.

In turn, all we want is just a little space from lookout down. Not to much to ask I hope.

[Terry Beeson]

Bill,

With that in mind, I agree with what you said even more. Again, I'm not against boats up near the dam especially if there are units running... more than one anyway. And Rich, you are right... but there are a lot more violations than just using bait.

I think one "problem" is the difference in the tailwaters of Beaver, Table Rock, and the Norfork as compared to Bull Shoals. Fact of life is boats and waders have to get along...

[Bill Babler]

I think Rich has hit it pretty well also. Another pet pieve of mine is the guys standing in the outlets snagging. A pile of split and a couple of size 12 scuds about a foot apart getting slammed into the outlet and snapped out after a 3 ft. drift is just about as sad as it gets.

Maybe they could start a season from March 15th. to May 15th. To coinside with the spoonbill season.

It happens from daylight to dark everyday, reguardless of flow. Sometimes its just hard to understand people.

[loo10]

Im not arguing anything you guys are saying.

I do not run my boat up that far

unless MANY units are generating.

Why? No great moral reason.....

I just dont want to tear up my boat.

I too am talking about the water from Fall Creek to Lookout.

My boat (a Lund tiller) must run the channel.

I have no option.

I will be cordial to you as I go by...

I will ask which side you wish me to move past you...

I will apologize for bothering you.

But if you backcast your flyrod and try to hit me,

or try to cast into my boat as I go by.....

don't be surprised if your line gets cut;

accidents happen.

I think that's fair.

In the words of Rodney King....

"Cant we all just get along?"

[Greg]

Bill I didn't catch it in your first post/question either - that you were not talking about the extreme upper end of the lake. I agree with you that down there the channel should not be blocked. I'm also with Terry - I've always kind of thought of the upper lake (dam down to the rocking chair) as mainly for wading fisherman. Especially with 0 units on. I have to say it irritates me a little some of the guys that motor up right past us waders when there is very, very little room (with no units running). But I am primarily a wading fly fisherman so I'm probably kind of biased. LOL.

I do think what you propose is reasonable Bill. However there are a lot of unreasonable people out there some days.

Greg

[gonefishin]

Same here I thought he was talking the upper extreme upper end of the lake. I guess I mis-understood Terry's post also. Sorry guys.

[TexomaOkie]

Bill, I experience the same uncomfortable situation everytime I'm on Taney.

During the few days my family is privileged to spend at Lilley’s each year, I fish that area quite a bit. I expect to pass close to other boaters and expect them to pass close to me. When fishing with Phil, I’ve even observed him telling other boaters to move over closer to his boat and away from the dangerous shallow water. Some listen, some don’t. Some sheer props, some don’t!

When fishing the area you're referring to it’s easy to distinguish those with knowledge of the lake from the novices. The reaction you receive when passing close to another boat will tell you all you need to know. The “lake knowledgeable” fisherman speak, or wave, and go back to fishing. The novices glare and look at you as if you are clueless.

It bothers me to upset others and I find no pleasure in doing so. But, I also understand that in some cases it’s unavoidable. Forums such as this are great for educating other fisherman, but there will always be those on the lake who don’t really know it. I try to accept that fact and not let their lack of knowledge upset me.

[Bill Babler]

Okie, hit the nail pretty much on the head. Knowledgable fisherman know the water. What fried my green tomato's, was a drift boat guide throwing up his hands and asking me what I thought I was doing coming thru the channel while his clients were fishing it. He should have known way better.

Not only trying to show me up in front of his clients, but also mine. Unbelieveable.

Maybe before they turn these new unlicensed guides loose, it might be a good idea for them to have been on the river at least a couple of times.

OH! I forgot, they don't need a License, or any knowledge of the river.

It would have been so easy for him to have said. " Boy's hold your fire and let this guy quickly idle thru, as this is the only water that he can navigate. Soon as he passes make your presentation directly into his wake, won't take him but a second to get past us."

As Okie said we all wave people thru the narrow's every boat guide I know, and I could care less if you are a guide or not. If I see you heading for the shoal I'll scream like crazy and tell you to pass so close you can touch me if I'm in the channel. There is just a right and wrong way to do everything. You don't want people to run a ground just to try and get around you. In the time it takes to make one cast a fellow angler can get thru the pass and I will guarantee you it won't affect your fishing abit.

Most of us try and stay out of there to not hinder boat traffic.

Lot more dramatic to throw a big fit.

You all know me, I didn't take it well and made him aware of it. " Me Bad."