fishinwrench

I know that obsessive drinking and meth on the rivers is bad news, BUT, it is not AGAINST THE LAW to have an open container, or to be buzzed in a canoe on a river. Isn't this particular "sobriety check" an infringement ? Doesn't there have to be "probable cause" to shake someone down ? I know one thing, if I'm fishing and some hotshot county boy shakes me down, lookin' for a Doobie or something....I'm gonna be ticked. Just show me one of these "Rambo's" that didn't taste beer before their 21st B-day, Or smoke a joint on a camping trip. I bet lawyers LOVE this nit-pickin' county revenue builder. I see that they are really working the "resisting arrest" angle too. OMG! A sobriety checkpoint on the river....I don't even drink very often, actually I never do when I'm fishing, but this just seems totally uncool. Do they just want people to go to work...then go home....and STAY AT HOME...or what ? ............................................................................. Niangua River checks net 32 drug arrests, 21 underage drinkers Published: Thursday, July 19, 2007 11:33 PM CDT In June, a sobriety checkpoint on the Niangua River netted a total of 26 drug arrests and seven underage drinkers taken into custody, two citations for providing alcohol to minors, one resisting arrest, one charge of sexual misconduct and one fishing permit violation. A second saturation held last weekend resulted in six drug arrests, 14 underage drinkers, two citations for providing alcohol to minors, one fishing permit violation, three resisting arrest, one forgery and two incidents that required medical assistance.

PWC's (personal watercraft) designed for river-running will obviously be next I'm afraid....only a matter of time. There were 4 JB trailers in the parking lot below the 64 bridge last Thursday, and 3 of them appeared to be just running up and down the river between Bennett and NRO, for hours, last Thursday. The canoe outfitters (with the exception of NRO, I assume) can't like this any more than I do. Just curious,....why did they ever put a concrete boat ramp on the Niangua ? That just seems to invite them. There is one on the Osage fork of the Gasconade too......wait until they start running that one.

Ah yes, political correctness and Sunday mornin' decency among fishermen requested at yet another forum, and posts that are straight to the point...without displaying emotion and character. Just like a visit with my ex-Mother in-law....oh Goody ! While we're at it, can you get rid of this guy... Because graphics of this sort could convey a very negetive message that might cause the random disfunctional child to require therapy someday...or worse yet, cause them to take a gun to school.... I have never-ever seen any post on this forum that contained language...or "symbols of language"....that is any less "proper" than what can be heard on prime time cable....but, you're the boss Phil.

I know, but to say someone is a "cynical person" isn't commonly regarded as a term of endearment (not that I take offense to being called cynical, at all). But in order of terms, it rates right up there with.. Curmudgeon, and horses-butt, among most of society. LMAO That's all I meant. See how politically correct I am trying to be......WTF? somebody slap me.

Thanks, my apologys for jumping lazily into mid-conversation.. I guess we do share what could be defined as cynicism....but I prefer to think I am actually in touch with reality. To call these mindsets "cynical views", implys that they are not actually correct, and real....And I very much believe that they are.

But, to "throw a Basturd out",simply allows another Basturd in. Only the name and face changes.

With all due respect: How can ANYONE "vote intelligently", when all you have, to base your decision on....or to "inform yourself with" as you say...is what you hear, or percieve through the media. Or our personal impressions based on our own self-proclaimed "supurb judge of character"? The cards are never on the table....so any "intellegent vote" is simply a crapshoot...at best. A candidate may be completely honest in their intentions....but once in office they probably LEARN A FEW THINGS, that change their stratagy, and their direction in a big way. They get enlightened, so to speak. At least that is the way I see it. Besides, what confirms the accuracy of a vote count in any election anyway, a government agency ? PFFFFT ! How do we know that the whole voting process isn't simply a staged nationwide crock of bull ? Like everything else.

I built a doghouse once too, and my dog wouldn't even get in it.....True story!

2Sheds, I haven't stayed at Sunburst, but ROLF is nice, and Yes you can pitch a tent there. One of the primitive spots near the mouth of "life spring" would be a great place to pitch camp....close to the showers and the crapper, and good fishing right under your nose.

Sheesh, If I don't make their props spin by the 4th...I'll be the one "bummin' rides".

You can somewhat determine water color....compared to what it was the last time you were on the river.....by taking note of how fast any rises have occurred since then. A gradual rise (over several days) of 0.5 to 1.5 won't change the water color too much. But if it spikes a foot every 2 hours, and the gage goes over 5.0 (like it did June 2-3, or June 10-11) it will stir it up pretty bad, and will take it about a week to settle back down. What you "wanna see" on the gage is a reading of between 2.0(low) and 4.0(hi) for decent fishing. Anything above 4.5 is gonna be unfishable and dangerous for most folks.....(yes, that includes me), but I've had some really good days at 4.0 It's sure lookin' good right now....ya lucky Bum (LOL) Let us know how ya do.

Yeah, the Windyville gage is the best indicator we have, of conditions in the Trout holding section of the river. I'd like to see a gage at 64 bridge...maybe someday. Going by the Windyville gage, a reading of 2.5 is about perfect (just a tad high). Windyville gage You really can't go by "rainfall amounts", cuz it depends on which side of the hill catches the most rain. Looks like I won't make it Tomorrow.....gotta fish for Dollars instead of Trout

Prolly be late Fall before we can make it to Ar. Girls love to "accessorize"...so she has to have all the gadgets too, ya know. She's been crankin' out some darn nice soft hackles...and does a mean crackleback. Hope I can keep her interested... without burnin' her out. My hidden agenda.... is for her to be able to outfish any "boyfriend" she might aquire later in life......LMAO !

Will probably be in the neighborhood myself Friday.....but I'm watchin' the guage at Windyville intently. I hope she doesn't blow out ...AGAIN !

I've brought this up several times in similar discussions. The other "WRITTEN LAW" describing private vs. public water, aside from the "navigable" term.... are the words "used for commerce". That can mean: used to float logs down, used as a city water supply, dredged for gravel...ect.

Funny you should ask Brownieman, there was a girl with him....and NO she was not in uniform. She was more like..... dressed for a picnic actually. LOL Is "dating while you work" a common thing.... Like a state employee perk, or something ?

Not really, not in the Niangua anyway...I've pretty much been targeting the trout still. With the water heating up though, that is about to change. Been hitting the LO tribs for Smallies some, but nothing spectacular to report.

I'd like to find a stripper too....but even more than that...I'd love to find TROUT below Bagnell. I think we have an ooops...LOL

Good one !!!

You had Holler's ?

It's lookin' good today (a little cloudy, and still a bit high...'bout perfect). The water feels awfully warm..... good for Smallies & Goggleye...bad for trout. The Trout I caught today didn't fight as hard as usual, and none of them even attempted to jump. Strikes were half-hearted and hard to detect, and once hooked they were sluggish. I'm gonna blame it on the warm runoff. I gotta take this opportunity to piss and moan about the jetboats. I don't like seeing them on the Niangua, and they are getting more frequent as time goes on. Got checked for my permit today by MDC....after they blasted through the run I was fishing...TWICE! How can they successfully enforce game laws from a darn jetboat? I mean, you can hear them coming from 3 miles away....and the last few "OFFICER/AGENTS" I've seen are NOT experienced river-jet operators, by any stretch of the imagination. (I specifically LOOKED for a PFD in the boat....they might have been stuffed somewhere, but I couldn't see them). Sorry, but IMO this is ignorant. Plus, from the boat operating "skill" I have seen...it's just a matter of time before one of these "agents" mow over a swimmer, fisherman, or a canoe. What a nasty headline that would be...if it didn't get "covered up".

Thanks Fella's, Picked her up a pair today. One of the shops I frequent had a pair of Hodgman wadelite's that have "just enough room to grow a year or so"... I think. If she wears them out before she grows out of them.....I'll be proud

No, she wants the "stockingfoot design", and "breathables" if we can find them. Also should mention that we have (For Sale Cheap) a pair of youth sized stockingfoot neoprenes (Flytech) that still have alot of miles left on them...She has grown out of those.

I'm looking for a pair of breathables for my 12 Y/O daughter. Are there any shops that carry them ?