Wayne SW/MO

No Bull? Creek I mean. While it's probably more of a wade opportunity, I suspect Swan and probably the upper reaches of the King might also be more friendly to waders. You didn't mention the White, or War Eagle, already done?

I realize that Al, but doesn't it fly in the face of the fact that billions have been spent in New Orleans and are ongoing, and approved, for the future? My should a family living on the banks of Taneycomo expect less? Are you saying that while New Orleans parties, others should look away from other prime areas because they may flood. TR overloads once in a great, great while while we build 24/7 on the levees surrounding NO, have for decades. Notice I didn't make a big thing about them being below sea level, talk about a floodplain!

Can you put that in perspective Dan? I know that Riley's Station is well above the river, I would venture a guess that it is close 40' at least. I was amazed at the photos from the last big one that showed water threatening the homes and cabins. How much higher do you suppose it will rise if they follow through?

For the penny it's worth I've never heard of any. I believe the water above Riverfront is more worth the effort however. It's also probably just as cheap given the gas needed to go to Moon Valley.

I'm still not getting your point or who the recipients of your demeaning comments are. I believe the vast majority of those building below dams understand the consequences, but they don't make up the whole. There are people for instance who made investments at the Lake of the Ozarks who weren't in any danger of flooding, then they built Truman. While Truman can't dump water like our lakes can, a failure would be catastrophic for the areas downstream. I know there are few who don't think it threw and are surprised, but they aren't dumb either, they just didn't think it would ever happen. There are countless numbers of us who were born here following centuries of ancestors, they survived floods and tornadoes, so I guess the belief that I can is inherited. I suppose we can assume you live well above the altitude that a dam failure would endanger, but sadly there just isn't room at the top of the hill for everyone or apparently the intelligence level either, at least in your mind.

I just did a little research and found this interesting, although moot to the point. The top of the dam is 947' and the bottom of the spillway is 896' I didn't see a number for the top of the spillways, wouldn't they be very close to 930' or in that vicinity? So far the storms seem to favor a more northern route, lets hope they stay that way because it appears Truman has more room than the White river reservoirs.

Bennett, Hmmmm. River stage

I would guess that it was also about 24" away from getting into some of the businesses in Rockaway yesterday about 2:00 PM. The low road in front of most of the docks, the ramp and the park were under water.

It was always my understanding that the White river dams were built to control flooding in the lower White river delta, a particularly rich and valuable agriculture area. While they didn't give a lot of attention to the towns, Forsyth for instance, in the 40's there is no reason that people today shouldn't expect to be protected the majority of the time. You can't generate electricity, something we use a lot of in hot weather, without the power pool being intact. It takes a lot of force to push water through the generators and that only comes from adequate depth of the water above them. These people have a brain and understand the risks and if attention is paid to the majority, people would learn that most accept it. They aren't questioning Mother Nature but the hand of man. Flytier it would appear that in your thinking all would be abandon because even roads can be washed away. The fact that the news services naturally seek out the sensational doesn't mean that the bulk of the native residents don't understand the consequences of living in areas prone to flood, tornadoes, earthquakes, and droughts. I suspect that many in this area might question why someone would live in Wisconsin and put up with large amounts of snow and bone chilling cold.

If memory serves me right the towns and people were there before the dams they may have thought the dams would offer some protection from flooding.

Dumb? Why do you think they spent all that money building the dams? I got a flash for you if you think it was to create trout habitat.

I'm afraid your first problem might be flow if this weather doesn't change. You will want check ahead to make sure everything is back to normal by mid June. The ramps and docks aren't usable right now. Taney in the Rockaway area doesn't stratify to my knowledge. With cold water coming in constantly, a riverine posture and lack of depth there just isn't volume or time I suspect. A a whole the temperature rises some the closer to the dam you get, but it isn't dramatic. Bull creek does offer some nice fishing, both in the arm and farther upstream.

I don't spend every waking moment on researching the subject Tim, so I have to take the old timer's approach work with what I know. I know that trying to hold off the effects of carbon pollution by converting to wind, solar and more efficient cars will never happen fast enough to change much of anything if Global Warming is advancing as fast as some believe. I know we have more natural gas that we can realistically measure. I know that we should be able to extract it as efficiently and cleanly as crude oil. I know that if a real effort was made to encompass all devices burning carbon fuel the decrease in emissions would be dramatic. I know our freedom is challenged more than any one wants to admit because of are dependence on foreign oil. I know most of our military sacrifices today lead back to our dependence on oil. Not a solution for greenhouse gasses? I agree, but everything I've read points to fewer emissions. If we have it and the technology to use it, why not use it in the interim to gain the benefits that extend beyond emissions while we hone our technology in wind, solar, fusion and fission? I have to say that I hope windmill farms are not our future because I really believe that in time people will reject them. The thing that gives them support now is their obscurity. People in the NW were appalled by clear cutting, wait until every horizon is a farm of huge, stark windmills, half turning, half idle. Half idle might be a stretch, but I've seen many farms and 25% is probably not unrealistic.

If you go this route get one with a blade and not ceramic stones. On the other hand there are a lot of combinations out already mixed, even those under the same description can vary according to the beholder. One advantage of buying premixed is that when you find a winner it's normally easy to replace.

What do you suppose the limit is for the Landing? I didn't see the lower area of Rockaway earlier, but in '08 it came up onto the road slightly.

I don't know if there is a colloquial name for Warmouth, but Warmouth is the official name of another sunfish that is very similar to goggle eyes and Ozark bass. To the best of my knowledge they only exist in the flatland of SE Missouri.

We've used a trolling motor on a canoe on the Niangua and no one told us we had to register, ........yet!

This looks ominous.

Glad to see you appear intact denjac.

do you think they can stay with it using the same parameters they did last time? I see that today's storms seem to be all but stationary over the basin, with more to come. How far do you think they can open the gates without flooding Branson, Hollister and Rockaway, or at what release to you think it will? I assume Bull creek is already likely to see problems.

I heard at noon that they expected to go to 30k this afternoon. Can anyone put that into perspective?

Here's an article from the green side that makes a lot of sense and alludes to what I'm trying to say. The Inconveinent Truth

I don't know what you want me to elaborate on, but here's a little more on the Duke study. When new processes come on line in volume it isn't unusual for potential problems to occur, but when they product can be very beneficial it makes more sense to explore safe methods then to diss the process altogether. We still produce dioxin which would dwarf any drilling contaminants. The threat of dioxin is just as real, yet there is little being done to avoid the threat beyond careful disposal of the manufacturing waste, which is only one part of the threat.

I wonder what the COE will do now. The three area lakes are full and I know they have opened Table Rock. Bull Shoals is nearing full and the White is already in flood stage downstream. With more rain in the forecast it looks like push is coming to shove.

Any hybrids showing up?