Phil Lilley

Looking at the map- this is what I see: Tan Tav Access Baptist Camp Access Akers Access Access at Boyd's Creek ? Round House Access Jack's Fork Access Access at 106 ? Log Yard off HH Access Beal Landing Access Van Buren Access Clubhouse Landing Access Catarac Landing Access Hickory Landing Access Gooseneck Campground Access Forest Service Camp Access Deer Leap Access Dun Roven Access Doniphan Access Just asking for description of river and fishing info on sections - general info. Advice for anyone wanting to float and fish.

I'm compiling general info on a few rivers and need some help. First, what are the sections you can float on the Elevenpoint, mileage, put-in's and take-out's. Second, describe what the river is like generally and what the fishing is like on those sections. This of course pertains to fishing. Thanks

I'm compiling general info on a few rivers and need some help. First, what are the sections you can float on the Current, mileage, put-in's and take-out's. Second, describe what the river is like generally and what the fishing is like on those sections. This was covered some in a post recently- that's what spawned this idea. I'll do this for the Elevenpoint too. Thanks.

This will be our 2nd lab. I trained the first one. But this lab is officially my dad's and he will spoil the heck out of it unless I do something like send it off. He's a softy and won't discipline it- feed it from the table, let it on the couch... so on. But it will be over here a lot and I won't tolerate it- Marsha won't for sure. So- we'll see. Still looking at options. They're 5 weeks now. Will get him next week.

We're getting a lab. My daughter's lab had pups and my dad is keeping one. Would like to get it trained as quickly as possible. It's 5 weeks now. We get it next week. Train not necessarily for hunting but obedience... but retrieving and commands would be nice too. He may go duck hunting (the dog, not my dad) in a year or two. Any suggestions in SW Missouri. Thanks

You're not the only one here who likes to do that- you'll find out. Welcome.

Old man huh... I double your age tomorrow. But still playing full court with kids younger than you tonight in Omaha - he he. Seriously- glad you found our place. You'll find good fellowship here.

Nice to meet you today, Jerod.

Pete- I posted the same info from Arkansas on OA. But I think they're talking about below BS dam and referring to BS's level being so high. TR's level is below power pool now so I don't think they are thinking about dumping water- but I don't mind. In 2008, we had a real melt down when they had to run flood gates in September. I believe it killed a lot of trout, mainly browns. So no one wants to see that. That being said, it's typical the last few years that the Corp runs a minimal amount of water during the fall for whatever reason. I do wish, like you and most of us, they would leave it off some during the day. We'll see. I have not heard from jeremy yet. They have not posted the schedule for the weekend yet either.

<p><img src="http://ozarkanglers.com/taneycomo/images/Lookout-Island-Lake_Taneycomo-on-OzarkAnglers.Com.jpg" width="500" height="203"></p> <p>We’re all hopeful that fall temperatures have set in this time.&nbsp; Going from triple digits one day to the lower 40’s at night in less than 48 hours is pretty drastic . . . but welcomed after everyone’s long, hot summer.&nbsp; I bet our trout needed the break from the high temps and the lake water warming to the 60’s.&nbsp; Actually it’s not been far off 60 degrees flowing out of Table Rock Dam.</p> <p>Dissolved oxygen levels are now an issue at Lake Taneycomo.&nbsp; It happens every fall right about now, but we are dealing with it nicely since the U.S. Corps of Army Engineers pumps liquid oxygen into the turbines as they run.&nbsp; If you peek at the Corps’ chart, you’ll see dissolved oxygen measuring from four to eight parts per million, which is a healthy level for trout.&nbsp; When the water was not running, levels plummeted to less than two parts per million.&nbsp; Basically, the only oxygen infusing the lake when there’s no generation is from the hatchery outlets and from sunlight and wind.&nbsp; But we, the trout, go through this every fall and do just fine.&nbsp; Sometimes, though, fishing -- or catching -- suffers.</p> <p>So it’s been a bit slow, but not bad.&nbsp; I’ve watched a deck boat with two women and a man drift from the cable below the dam down to the MDC boat ramp the last few days, and they have caught numerous trout.&nbsp; I think they have been using an egg/scud combo without much weight.&nbsp; The women have tossed their lines out to give more line, and then set the hook.&nbsp; I’ve also seen a group of three guys in a jon boat fishing a jig and float with fly rods, drifting from Lookout to Fall Creek and catching trout.&nbsp; I was surprised at how shallow they were setting their floats, not more than four-feet deep.&nbsp; That’s not as deep as I’d normally recommend, BUT they were catching fish.</p> <p>Our guides are drifting night crawlers from Short Creek to our place and doing pretty well.&nbsp; Now all this depends on, yes, running water, and enough running water to make a real drift.&nbsp; I’d certainly shoot some air in the worms to make them float no matter if you’re drifting or sitting still.&nbsp; Set the weight about 24 inches from the hook and that’s how far you’re floating the worm off the bottom.</p> <p>One other thing -- if you’re drifting, don’t use much weight.&nbsp; Use just enough to get to the bottom of the lake and that’s all.&nbsp; If you use too much, you’ll bump the bottom too hard and you won’t be able to feel the bite; you’re probably going to get snagged up more often.</p> <p>Wednesday I caught some decent rainbows on a 3/32nd-ounce sculpin jig fishing from the cable down to Fall Creek, mainly the deep banks.&nbsp; Fish were striking short but were not very aggressive, so I missed a lot of strikes.&nbsp; I just should have been quicker and paid more attention.&nbsp; Thursday I got out of the boat and waded at the Narrows and at Lookout Island.&nbsp; I drifted mainly scuds -- gray #14 weighted -- and made sure to drag them on the bottom.&nbsp; I did better at the Narrows but did see quite a few rainbows behind the island at Lookout.&nbsp; I also stripped soft hackles off the bottom end of the island and did real well on mostly small rainbows.&nbsp; I threw a dry at them the other day, at all the usual bluff places, and didn’t have a looker.</p>

I don't think they've been running the water because of power demand. If I remember right, last fall they ran the water like this- 25-40 mw 24 hours. They have bumped it up a couple of times this week late in the day because of power demand-yes- but look at the DO level chart. When the water is off, the o2 plummets. When it's running, they're pumping liquid o2 into the turbine and the water is livable. I think they may be running it for the fish's sake. I'll check with my Corp guy and see if I can find out.

i posted a report on Lower BS earlier today.

Below are two notices from Jeff Williams at AGFC that might be of interest. 1) Disolved Oxygen Update All, I just wanted to provide you all with an update on our monitoring of the dissolved oxygen (DO) levels on Bull Shoals and Norfork. As of today the breaker vents are blocked open on the turbines at all the White River project dams (Bulll Shoals, Norfork, Greers Ferry, and Beaver). Recommended maximum generation rates have been in place since August 18th and currently Bull Shoals is being operated at 85% of nameplate capacity and Norfork at 73%. On August 18th I recommended to implement stocking restrictions on the upper portion of the Norfork Tailwater. This means that no trout are being stocked at Quarry Park or Gene’s Trout Dock. Field measurements on that day indicated that the dissolved oxygen did not recover to 6 mg/l until nearly a mile above the Bill Ackerman/River Ridge Access. Trout that were scheduled to be stocked at the two upper locations will be placed at downstream locations until conditions improve. On September 2nd field measurements indicated that the dissolved oxygen on Bull Shoals Tailwater did not recover to 6 mg/l until about Bruce Creek. At that time I recommended stocking restrictions for upper Bull Shoals, which meant that trout would not be stocked at State Park, Gunga La, or Gaston’s. The dissolved oxygen levels have continued to decline since that time and last Friday (September 9th) I checked the DO levels on Bull Shoals and Norfork again. Although the location of recovery to 6 mg/l on Norfork has moved downstream somewhat, there was no need to adjust the stocking restrictions. On Bull Shoals, however, the dissolved oxygen now does not recover to 6 mg/l until below the White Hole Access. As a result earlier today I submitted a recommendation to extend the stocking restrictions to include Sportsman’s and the White Hole Access until conditions improve. Also, last Friday I received notification from the Corps of Engineers that they intend to maintain the current maximum generation levels for the next week even as DO levels are expected to drop into the 3.8 – 3.5 mg/l range. The Reservoir Control folks cited a reduced capacity to evacuate remaining flood waters as a result of the maximum generation restrictions. Although the lake elevations are well down from what they have been, I think they are trying stay ahead of any tropical storms that may come our way. Fortunately, we have not observed any evidence of a large-scale trout kill on Bull Shoals or Norfork and there is plenty of good fishable water remaining. We will monitor the situation closely and implement additional measures as needed. Please let me know if you have any questions. Thanks. Jeff 2) Trout Marking All, We are scheduled to mark approximately 8,000 11-inch rainbow trout on September 22nd and 23rd at our Jim Hinkle/Spring River Hatchery in Mammoth Spring. This is the last cohort of rainbow trout that will be marked as an ongoing growth and mortality study on the Spring River. Since our district biologists are busy with their fall sampling we are in need of some volunteer help to complete the marking. Volunteers can ride with us to and from the hatchery so you don’t have to use any of your own gas. Anyone that is willing and able to help please let me know as soon as possible and I will provide additional details. Thanks. Jeff

I would say by AJ's writing it's at 30 feet

Heard about this last night- got this email from AJ Pratt, MDC biologist: Fish continue to die at Bull Shoals and it appears it is expanding to other areas of the lake. As a result, I’ve received a number of phone calls from anglers concerned about the situation and wondering what can be done. Below is a brief history of the kill and talking points in case you are contacted by the public/media. History: Reports of dead walleye began the week of Sept. 5 in the Lead Hill area and has now expanded below the Oakland area (Points 3-9). Initially, walleye and striped bass were the only fish affected, but as of Tuesday (9-13-11) yellow perch, suckers, drum, and longear have also been reported as dying. Talking Points: - Poor water quality is the primary cause for the fish kill. - Water quality measurements (temperature and dissolved oxygen) reveal water temperatures, from the surface down to 30 feet, range from 80 to 75 degrees F, respectively. Meanwhile, oxygen concentrations are adequate, from the surface to 30 feet, and range from 9 ppm to 6ppm, respectively. However, oxygen levels, from 30 to 35, feet drop to almost nonexistent (2 to 0.1 ppm). Fish become stressed when levels are under 3 ppm. Water temperatures below 30 feet cool to 72 degrees F. - Since walleye/striped bass/yellow perch/drum are a cool water fish, they cannot inhabit the cooler water found below the 30 foot depth. As they are forced to stay in the warmer water they are becoming stressed with some even dying. - Due to the extreme high water, the thermocline usually sets up higher in the water column as compared to years with normal water levels. Also, due to the decomposition of organic material, washed in from the spring floods and surrounding vegetation, oxygen levels below the thermocline are extremely low. This combination forces fish to stay in the upper water column. In typical years, oxygen levels, below the thermocline, remain high enough for fish to survive for short periods of time. - The same situation happened in 2004, another high water year, when walleye, drum, and blue catfish died. - Currently, there has not been any record the water quality is negatively affecting other popular gamefish (black bass, catfish, and crappie). - It is unclear how significant the kill is at this point. - MDC staff continue to monitor the die-off. - Fish kills are currently happening in other White River reservoirs (Norfork and Beaver) and are mainly affecting striped bass. If you have additional questions, do not hesitate to contact me. Thanks. A.J. Pratt Fisheries Management Biologist Missouri Dept. of Conservation 551 Joe Jones Blvd. West Plains, MO 65775 (417) 255-9561, ext. 277 Anthony.Pratt@mdc.mo.gov

Here's a better explanation from Shane Bush, MDC biologist who conducts the study - Twenty percent of the brown trout we sampled were over 20 inches. The attached table shows actual fish captured. We caught 10 fish that were over 20 inches, the 20 percent is just the percentage of fish captured greater than 11 inches (stock size) that were also over 20 inches. The fish in the sample that were below stock size were brown trout that we stocked early to prevent them from getting disease with the poor water quality coming through TRL dam to the hatchery this year. We stocked them at about 8.5 inches in June so they’ve grown at least an inch already. These are encouraging numbers and if we can continue to increase stocking numbers for next year we should be in good shape in a few as the larger fish exit the population. Brown trout densities are definitely lower than previous years though and this is shown through the inverse relationship of numbers to size. More fish = smaller fish, less fish = larger fish. It all has to do with competition and food availability. It should be balanced somewhere in the middle. We’ll get back to that eventually if we can get some “normal” water years. In the meantime, enjoy that year class of large browns! http://ozarkanglers.com/taneycomo/Individual-Brown-Trout-2011.htm

Welcome- glad you found us. I have an uncle that lives in Fairhope but he plays golf, doesn't fish much. I've been down there a few times and love the Gulf Shores area. If you want to share any articles, please send them to me and I'll post them on the main site, as well you can post them here on the forum. I know some of the forum members fish down that way so your salt water perspective will be helpful and interesting. Thanks again.

Yea- Shane already corrected me in an email... you beat me to the punch. Still good size but the numbers are still off from 2008. Here's a link to the raw data he sent me. http://ozarkanglers.com/taneycomo/Individual-Brown-Trout-2011.htm

PDF file One number stands out... 20 browns measured over 20 inches!! Compared to past years, that's pretty incredible. Taneycomo-2011-study.pdf

Do ya think you'll get google's attention with that big, long title?????

Sounds like a challenge to me... I'm up for it. Soon as I get home, I'll make plans. What's the average size you think? What's the easiest way to get to them- I know by boat but where do you put in?

Bob- did you float the Elevenpoint this summer?

Gavin- you answered this question several years ago when I asked... and here was your answer- Gavin - 1)Mohairs & Buggers 2)Rubber Leg Stones 3)Rubber Leg Prince 4)Rubber Leg Hairs Ear 5)Egg Patterns Hasn't changed much! Thanks!!

This was asked a LONG time ago and we have lots of new anglers on the forum since then so I thought I'd ask the question again. Add some technique if you'd like. Warning... you may be quoted! Thanks

Could have been trout food.